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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. RayRay10

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    From 3 weeks ago:



    Irregularities In COVID Reporting Contract Award Process Raise New Questions

     
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    This.....is a typical Trump tit for tat hiring, just like everyone else. He hires the ones who make him richer, will cover his ass, and will bend over at his commands.

    TeleTracking CEO Michael Zamagias had links to the New York real estate world — and in particular, a firm that financed billions of dollars in projects with the Trump Organization.

     
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    Was reading a fascinating and sad long article in the Atlantic, predicting a bad pandemic. It was written by Ed Yong in the summer of 2018 (kind of commemorating the 100 yr anniversary of the huge flu pandemic). And it included an eerily prescient video asking if Trump was ready to handle it.



    Again, it's from 2018. :(

    And if you want to find the article, it's available too. (Very long, very sobering, b/c the one we're in now will in no way be the last.)

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/when-the-next-plague-hits/561734/
     
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  4. Invisible Fan

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    Did I hear Prophetic? That's not The Atlantic...That's QAnon!

    Better download it and share it on the Facebooks before THEY censor it SHEEEEEPLE!!
     
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    Crazy huh? His fears have become reality, and so true of Trump. These comments from the article are telling.

    "His dislike of outsiders and disdain for diplomacy could lead him to spurn the cooperative, outward-facing strategies that work best to contain emergent pandemics."

    "Perhaps the two most important things a leader can personally provide in the midst of an epidemic are reliable information and a unifying spirit."

    "Trump’s tendency to tweet rashly, delegitimize legitimate sources of information, and readily buy into conspiracy theories could be disastrous."

    I didn't read it all yet, but intend to. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    #5327 deb4rockets, Aug 20, 2020
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    Well which is it?
     
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    I should have known you'd say something. I was too lazy to erase the first line, but now I did, just for you! Aren't you special?
     
  10. RayRay10

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    I already told you I'm not going round and round with you.

    @deb4rockets @tinman
     
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    LOL
     
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    Am I a joke to you -- am I essential personnel?

    Internet abbreviations hurt Deb.
     
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    I told you I'm not going round and round with you. You are making me dizzy going in circles like this.
     
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    "The U.S. forced major manufacturers to build ventilators. Now they’re piling up unused in a strategic reserve":

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...undaybiz-right-4-0_no-name:homepage/story-ans

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    SAN FRANCISCO — Months into a $3 billion U.S. effort to manufacture tens of thousands of ventilators to stave off coronavirus deaths, the government stockpile is facing a glut.

    General Motors and Ford by early May began delivering the first ventilators they scrambled to manufacture, in part compelled by President Trump’s invocation of the federal Defense Production Act. General Electric, Philips and other manufacturers’ efforts have delivered more than 94,000 of them to the stockpile, and General Motors plans to soon hand over its business to a counterpart.

    During the first weeks of the covid-19 crisis in March, health officials panicked over an anticipated shortage of ventilators, breathing machines that were essential to help keep patients alive. But during the months it took for companies to develop their supply chains, test prototypes and train workers to build them, the approach to treating covid-19 changed.

    Now, unexpectedly, the vast majority of ventilators are going unused. The Department of Health and Human Services said it had handed out 15,057 ventilators by Friday, and there were 95,713 ventilators in the federal stockpile. Of those, 94,352 came from contracts signed since the beginning of the pandemic.

    “In the fog of war against the virus, we were trying to do our best to protect the health and safety of the American people,” said Peter Navarro, White House trade adviser and Defense Production Act policy coordinator. “In this particular chess game, the best move was to make sure we had too many ventilators rather than too few.” Navarro said that excess ventilators will be used to help other countries fighting the novel coronavirus, either as revenue-generating exports or as donations.

    The misalignment between the availability and need for ventilators shows that the medical understanding of and response to the coronavirus has moved faster than companies can adapt. And for Ford, which got the order to supply the largest quantity of ventilators to the federal stockpile, production and delivery were delayed, further throwing it out of sync with the pandemic needs.

    In April, doctors and other medical experts worried that the government’s orders of ventilators would be too little, too late to meet the initial peak in cases in the spring. But the curve of infections has stretched out for longer than initially projected — and the treatment evolved.

    Instead of intubating patients — more common for hospitalized patients during the early weeks of the coronavirus pandemic — doctors are more likely to turn to a variety of breathing treatments. They range from flipping patients onto their sides or stomachs to aid in breathing to using high-flow nasal cannula systems, or continuous or bilevel positive airway pressure machines used for patients with sleeping disorders.

    The percentage of hospitalized patients put on ventilators has fallen, medical experts who spoke with The Washington Post said, and the projected ventilator need went from a third of hospitalized patients in the spring to fewer than one-fourth by August.

    “I do think we’re getting better in that we don’t reflexively just have to put people on ventilators,” said Amesh Adalja, an infectious-disease expert at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “As the pandemic progressed, we got much more comfortable with managing people on high levels of noninvasive ventilation.”

    The Department of Health and Human Services acknowledged there is a surplus.

    “While there is not currently a shortfall of ventilators in the [Strategic National Stockpile] inventory, the new ventilators procured during the covid-19 response will ensure the United States is prepared to respond to any hot spots in the coming months as well as future public health emergencies,” an HHS spokeswoman said, adding, “Many states initially requested far more ventilators than they actually needed,” leading to the surplus.

    Officials say now they have no additional plans to award contracts for ventilators. Some states are returning devices they no longer need, contributing to the glut.

    The United States ordered double the number of ventilators needed in the worst-case scenario, which involved no equipment sharing between states and which drew from the Strategic National Stockpile, said Dan Adelman, professor of operations management at the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, who wrote a paper in April on the country’s estimated ventilator need as the pandemic surged. That scenario, which paired case projections from the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation with estimated ventilator need, would have called for just over 100,000 ventilators.

    “The scenario that actually ended up happening was substantially lower than that,” he said in an interview.
    more at the link

     
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    but Trump sent the Woohan virus to Italy though
     
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    this is a great example of a low information post. You can’t look at the entirety of the US and compare it to a small geographic country like Italy. When this catches hold in a state, it lasts for 8-10 weeks and peters out. Possibly even independent of the response (lockdown or not). What you’re showing doesn’t account for the fact that some states had it arrive later than others.
     
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    Not going too deeply on the ventilator or hcq surpluses, but what the flying **** does Peter Navarro know about War or Chess or Virus?
     
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