Kasich: Prominent Congressman to come out for Biden tomorrow

To followup on @jiggyfly post nothing wrong with having the debate and nothing wrong with having legitimate disagreements.

 

What?

 

Which sounds beautiful until you realize that the Reagan admin and the people that came out of that & the next generation of Republicans (like Will, Frum, and Scarborough) hold responsibility in the evolution of a system that allowed someone like Trump to come into power. What is the root of the problems that led to Trump..... MONEY into politics. They are responsible for propping up the success of Reaganomics of producing what we have today.

 

Except Democrats have raised a lot of money too. For that matter Trump's success wasn't due to money in politics. In 2016 he trailed most of his rivals in the GOP in fundraising. The big money was for Jeb! and we saw how that went. Also if money was such a determiner we would be talking about what Michael Bloomberg might say in his acceptance speech.

That people out of the Reagan machine ended up leading to things like the TEA Party and Trumpism there is truth to that. People like Lee Atwater and Roger Ailes did push the politics of division and white grievance. Lee Atwater himself made a death bed apology on his role and former GOP strategist Stuart Stevens in a recent book is expressing his regret over his part of that. People like Will and Frum I don't think had much to do with that. They are intellectual conservatives and Will has expressed frustration with the state of the party even before Trump.

 

So....

 

No it's not. It's a mixed economy and has been that way throughout modern history. The sooner you rubes realize it's not one or the other, the faster we can move on.

 

Therein lies the lub. They shifted away from labor unions (a long contributor of a stable middle class in the "flyover states") and allowed companies keep monopoly powers to become Too Big To Fail. Banks are overused as an example...How about we went from breaking up AT&T for being too powerful only for it to recombine and become a regional monopoly in telecom? What happened to Enron?

Dems were supposed to be the party that gatekeeped consumer interests only to shift center and receive from the same donor troughs as Republicans.

And the voters loved it.

Americans loved Greenspan and worshipped financial firms for their "innovation" until the system melted down in 08. Then people wondered Why No One In Jail? Maybe because the laws and enforcement agencies were so weak, it was too hard to prove they were even breaking existing laws!

This slow and steady descent of the Republican Party is the unwillingness to turn back the clock way back in terms of regulation... Loot hard and party hard. I'm not talking about Portland.

It's been happening in DC since before the new millennium.

 

Here's that former lobbyist, and former republican congresswoman, giving the keynote speech at the 1996 republican national convention...

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4603...republican-national-convention-keynote-speech

 

I dont know what you're arguing. What do you mean by mixed? Its capitalist. You have an idea. You can capitalize it.

Other things like public goods like school is another subject

 

Lol I had not heard Susan Molinari name in a very very long time.

I don't get too hyped about John Kasich - unlike the rest of you virulent Kacists, but man, this is disappoint.

 

Times change and the country vacillates on where it falls between socialism and total unregulated capitalism.

This isn’t the first time the country has drifted towards increased government safeguards after a long period of limited protections. We are drifting towards concepts like socialized medicine and more governmental safety nets for things like daycare and education.

Typically we keep the socialist/government programs once they are added. From public schools, to social security, unemployment and Medicare/Medicaid.

You say we are not a socialist country... and we are not and will not become a socialist nation. However we will adopt more socialist policies and programs and the public will embrace some of them. Look at the wealthy inequality rates and you will see why.

I do not think we are entering a period where one party will dominate, both parties will adjust accordingly to embrace some level of programs and assistance.

 

Scarborough did not like the direction of the party with Newt and has been talking about that before Trump.

I have not even seen him propping of Reagonomics and don't know if you lump all of these guys together.

Will and Frum definitely.

I could be wrong.

 

ver time people do become accepting of things social security and even ACA. Those things come from need and are accepted because of need.

 

Bro if you wana debate the point fine but dont ask me whhat like i wasnt clear. The country isnt progressive in its values. Thats a straightforward statement

 

Except all of the socialist parts. You do know that rural areas have electricity, right? That was socialism. You realize we have a United States Postal service, right? That's socialism. You do realize that we have Social Security, right? That's socialism. You do realize that we have Medicare, right? That's socialism. You do realize that we have Interstate Highways, right? That's socialism. You do realize we have food stamps, right? That's socialism. You do realize that we have federally insured bank accounts, right? That's socialism. You do realize that we have the internet right? That started as socialism as well. You do realize that our tax dollars paid to subsidize farmers and others hurt by Trump's trade war, right? That's socialism. I can keep going. There

We have a mixed system. There are still plenty more examples of how we use socialism in our economy.

 

And inaccurate

 

You nailed the first part about Americans loving socialist programs like Social Security, Medicare, and even Obamacare — just not the label of socialism.

Secondly, New Democrat centrism has decimated Democrats in national elections since 1994. It has failed to capture meaningful majorities in Congress, has practically surrendered State Legislatures to Republicans, and seen Democrats lose 3 winnable presidential elections. That’s 25 years of failure for the party with the bigger voter bank. At some point you gotta stop chasing the unicorn centrist voter and go back to your New Deal roots.

Lastly, the “capitalist country” mantra is pure fiction and has no legs to stand on when you spend trillions bailing out big business twice in the span of a decade. This is one of the fundamental grievance that led millions of Americans desperate for real change into Trump’s fascist arms.

 

Mixed Market Economy. It's mixed as we have highly regulated and subsidized sectors.

 

Conservatives have certainly campaigned better and have used the government in much more Machiavellian way to achieve it's goals. Culture Wars... god, gunz, gays has been shrewdly used in place of meaningful government.

Bernie Sanders couldn't build upon his base. It comes down to messaging. Conservatives will always have "traditions" on their side, which gives them an edge.

You'd think Covid and the economy would be top priority... but lets flame the culture wars in order to change the narrative.