A lot of people died. You may want to spoiler it even. I won't even watch that footage. I've seen it but when you think about what happened... it really gets to you. Not once but twice this cruelty was inflicted on a civilian target nonetheless. I've tried to find a reason for it and the reason they give is still utter ****. Yes it was war but at least Pearl Harbor was a military target. I guess at the time, when you are at war, you think differently. But couldn't they have demonstrated it some other way? Did they consider hitting a military target instead?
It was a horrible thing, and the video is hard to watch,knowing what was happening, but you have to take things with the context of the times. These guys were literally willing to fly themselves into ships and buildings, and they wanted an empire. No way could you have them flying themselves into LA next, unannounced. Or further. It was a brutal brutal thing. That being said, I'm glad the Spanish Flu came around and ended it. Not our Super Duper Bombs.
I agree the atomic bombs are morally ambiguous and I personally won't say that dropping them was the right thing. That said they weren't payback for Pearl Harbor and while Pearl Harbor was a military target the Japanese had no qualms about not just killing but torturing and making sex slaves of civilians. No one knows for sure but possibly millions of civilians were killed by the Japanese. Not only where civilians of enemy countries killed by the Japanese in cases like in Saipan the Japanese would force their own civilians to kill themselves rather than surrender to the Allies.
What? Atomic bomb is iffy, but the Japanese were really nasty? The Japanese were nasty indeed, as a nation. But Japanese are not all one blob of humanity. They are individuals. Normally we at least differentiate civilians.
Even without the atomic bombs the US had already killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. The fire bombings of Tokyo probably killed as many civilians as the atomic bombs. WWII was a brutal war with all sides killing civilians. There is no such thing as an actual clean war and WWII was definitely not a clean war. Even if the allies had wanted to fight it as a clean war they couldn't have.
Jeez, this thread is about Trump's mega-stupidity and you let dachuda wag the dog by focusing on the atomic bomb picture? O-kaaaaaaaaaaay.
Why are you posting video's of what brought down the Twin Towers........ too soon bro, 9/11 was only 102 years ago.
Have you seen the quality of some of these threads lately? Texx and trader pretty much do this on the daily.
I had two grandpa's fight in WWII and over a dozen uncles. All but one were in severe warfare in either Europe or in the Pacific. When they would get together and discuss the war (on one side my grandpa was one of 23 boys..... times were different), the agreement between everyone was that the actual warfare in the Pacific was worse than anything in Europe. I heard stories from a couple about concentration camps in Europe and about how bad Germany was (lots of civilians starving and murder and sex crimes). I heard stories about how the Russians were terrible to just about anyone and that rape was just a spoil of war. However, nothing compared to what happened in the South Pacific and what they said about the Japanese actions was very hard to believe. The level of depravity and the effectiveness. I remember some of them telling me as a boy that they would go and visit Europe again, and would be comfortable visiting Germany. None of the ones that saw action in the Pacific had any interest in returning to Japan and admitted a disdain or in one case a fear of Japanese people. It wasn't something that they openly discussed often and it wasn't something that they were proud of, but they never trusted the Japanese government again. My grandpa had a twin, and he ended up marrying a beautiful Japanese girl he met over there. She decided she wanted her name to be "Happy" when she moved here and they were together until his death 15-20 years ago. She refused to go back to visit Japan and kept no connections to any family or friends over there until her death a few years ago. She had to move in with her son after my great uncle died because she had fear or being alone. So, I think your point about atrocities is well founded..... and everyone involved did terrible, terrible things...... and everyone involved was scared.
The treaty of Versailles (pronounced versa-tiles) was not in 1919, but 1819. It was signed after the African expansionists attacked Canada and put all the European's and Native American's into work camps and named the area New Wakanda. That is where apartheid came from. It took the Vikings leaving China to overthrow the African's and force the signing of the treaty of Versailles, but that is why most of Canada speaks Yoruba to this day.
Just a reminder that the key focus of Trumps 2020 campaign is a case against Biden's Cognitive ability.
Frankly Trump saying something stupid daily is pretty much the norm. Discussing the moral ambiguities of WWII is far more interesting.
