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2020 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. deb4rockets

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    I love Texas, it's always been my home. I just hate that our Republican leaders don't care about Texans. I can't wait for the day they are all voted out. Their butt kissing to Trump disgusts me.
     
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    Funny, trump says mail-in voting is bad (despite the fact that he, melanie trump, nepotism barbie and jared, mike and mrs. pence, the head of the rnc and lots of other trump cabinet members all vote by mail). I guess "its good for me, not for thee"...





    Also funny, if voting by mail is bad, why is trump's campaign encouraging his supporters to vote by mail?

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  7. deb4rockets

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    I'd like to see them all stand in line to vote during the pandemic, without their testing bubble protection nobody else gets. Walking in a polling location with people not required to wear masks working inside. They couldn't even be bothered to vote in person before the pandemic. Too busy? Hmmm, but can fly to golf in a different state every weekend. Sounds pretty hypocritical to say the least.
     
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    love it or leave it baby!
     
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  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Did you just emerge from hiding under a rock for 6 months?
     
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    That last line out of his mouth in that video speaks wonders. What a con man.
     
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    More from the Morning Consult polling:

    Extensive New Battleground Polling Shows Biden Gaining Ground
    Biden has put Republican strongholds in play while extending his lead in several swing states
    https://morningconsult.com/form/july-presidential-battleground-state-polling/

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    "Don’t Count Trump Out":

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/how-trump-could-win-reelection/612205/

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    4. Biden’s got his own problems.
    Biden has suffered personal loss, which has made him a comforting figure to grieving Americans who have lost jobs and loved ones in the pandemic. Yet he still symbolizes a brand of establishment centrism that leaves some younger voters and some in the party’s activist wing uninspired.

    “We have to be true to ourselves and acknowledge that Biden is a mediocre, milquetoast, neoliberal centrist that we’ve been fighting against in the Democratic establishment,” Cornel West, the Harvard University professor and a Bernie Sanders supporter, told me.

    If Sanders’s primary voters stay home on Election Day out of pique, that could damage Biden’s chances, especially in must-win swing states.

    Nina Turner, a co-chair of the Sanders campaign, told me she has no appetite for the choice she faces: “It’s like saying to somebody, ‘You have a bowl of shitte in front of you, and all you’ve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing.’ It’s still shite.”

    Expect Trump to aggravate a dispute that advances his own interests. As I’ve written, he spent months wooing Sanders voters during the primary, trying to convince them that the senator was the victim of a Democratic conspiracy to prevent him from getting the party’s nomination.​
     
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    Yeah, I'm one of the younger voters who hates dem establishment politics, **** that noise Trump has to go.

    If you hate the establishment Trump is just as bad as Biden, Trump doesn't have any political positions everything in his administration is run by career ultra establishment right-wing politicians. Trump had this angle last election to appeal to the moderates and disenfranchised left but that notion is totally dead now, he showed all of his populist rhetoric was a complete scam, he no longer has the benefit of the unknown and "potential". All he has now is a track record of sucking major ass, denying science, denying math, cutting healthcare, cutting education, cutting food assistance,cutting environmental regulations, cutting taxes for the wealthy, there is zero redeeming qualities about Trump in comparison to Biden.
     
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    trump's campaign corruption...

    Trump campaign 'disguised' and 'laundered' nearly $170 million worth of spending, watchdog group alleges in a new federal complaint
    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-parscale-guilfoyle-spending-complaint-ads-fec-2020-7
     
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    I've got a few hard-core Bernie supporters in my life who echo these sentiments. It's frustrating to hear them parrot the same talking points ("The DNC picked the winner!") after losing two straight primaries including a weaker showing in 2020 than in 2016. The DNC did not pick Joe Biden; voters did, particularly African American voters. Klobuchar and Buttigieg dropped out and endorsed Biden once it became clear that they had no support among this core bloc. To continue to undermine this fact, especially at this moment when so many people are attuned to racial injustice, demonstrates one reason why Bernie stalled again: his supporters and their holier-than-thou attitude. I am aware that the two quotes in your post are from African American Sanders supporters. However, voting breakdowns show that the vast majority of his supporters were white and he was unable to grow support among black voters.

    I'm not too worried about disaffected Bernie supporters affecting the race. Here is a breakdown of swing states' primaries in 2020 and 2016:
    • Michigan: Biden +16.6% (Sanders +1.4% in 2016)
    • Arizona: Biden +11% (Clinton +14.9% in 2016, but Warren had 5.8% in 2020)
    • Florida: Biden +39.1% (Clinton +31% in 2016; Bloomberg got 8% in 2020, too)
    • Wisconsin: Biden + 31.1% (Sanders + 13.5% in 2016)
    • North Carolina: Biden +18.7% (Clinton +13.6%)
    • Pennsylvania: Biden +61.2% (Clinton +12%)
    Some of those results are not perfect analogues; the nomination fight was over by the time Pennsylvania voted this year while it was still important in 2016. The interesting results, to me, are found in Arizona, Florida and North Carolina; Biden outperformed Clinton vs. Sanders even with other candidates taking some of the vote share in 2020. The share of non-Sanders votes in swing states was higher in 2020 than four years ago and suggests a stagnation and/or erosion of support. His most outspoken supporters live in states that won't be in doubt this year, so I don't really care what they have to say about voters in swing states. The latter have spoken and have rejected their candidate more forcefully than they did in the last primary.

    Another thing that alarms me about Bernie's supporters is their similarity to Trump supporters when it comes to the savior complex. Bernie positioned himself and his revolution as the only solution to a corrupt and rotten system. Trump said "I alone can fix it" in 2016. These two attitudes show a fundamental lack of faith in the value of our institutions and understanding of how they work. One person alone cannot fix our government. It must be staffed by capable, motivated people. A Biden administration will undoubtedly attract qualified people who want to repair the deliberate damage and looting of our institutions over the last four years. Bernie supporters who claim to care about their issues need to recognize that another four years of Trump means another four years (and maybe more) of the purposeful demolition of our reputation and institutions.
     
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  18. Dubious

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    Let's say you like Bernie. Now consider the choice is binary (no your protest vote will 0 effect on anything)
    Which of the two is closer to Bernie? Which choice moves the nation more toward Bernie? Whose election will allow progressive ism to grow and who will suppress any progressive agenda?

    And what does you non vote do? probably less than nothing, probably a negative
     
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