Do you Agree? - Bomani Jones implies Steph Curry no superstar, 'best system player' ever

You mean kinda like the 12/13 season, when Kobe led them to 17 wins in their last 25 games or so to make the playoffs (going off memory)?

 

And you don't see how shooting double the amount of shots affects that percentage?

Curry only shot 19 of those shots bye the way.

 

PJ Tucker is having success as a small-ball C because he can shoot 3's. Why are you ignoring that? He shot 37% for us this year from the 3pt line. That's far superior to Draymond Green's shooting.

Out of curiosity, why do you think Iggy was so open? It's because defenses overplay Curry.

I've always said "around the rim". That's where Tristan Thompson spends most of his time.

Simply wrong. Look at his stats.

Then you need to update your outdated definition of "superstar". Curry is a 2 time MVP and the greatest shooter of all time. If that doesn't fit your definition of "superstar", then your definition is broken.

Then the Warriors swing had more to do with benching Bogut than giving Iggy 4 extra minutes per game?

It swung the series, sure, but that trivializes the superior impact that Curry had. Curry was expected to score in the mid 20's with good efficiency. He did. I don't what Iggy's expectations were, but he far exceeded them. That doesn't mean he was more important that Curry.

When Kawhi Leonard won FMVP in San Antonio, he averaged 17.8 ppg. Tony Parker led the team with 18 ppg. So not really a good comparison there.

I know that defense is important, but offense is more important.

When Harden doesn't have the ball, he doesn't do much. He prefers to stand beyond the 3pt line and rest. So yes.....defenses ignore him.

Green isn't a good 3pt shooter. He's actually worse that his stats suggest since he'll refuse to shoot them when he's wide open.

His seasons in Houston are far more relevant and they say otherwise.

 

OK, so LeBron and Harden are superstars. Who else would be superstars under this criterion?

 

Look, the statement "Lillard is a far superior finisher at the basket than Curry" is demonstrably untrue. Why do you keep defending it? No matter what you say, the statement will still be wrong.

Also, how are you getting 19 attempts? Seems like it should be much more.

 

If you tell me I can trade the current roster to get me either Dame or Steph for the same price, I'm taking Dame.

Steph is the type of guy that would come here and then take off after he can't deal with it. Dame will stay do or die, and be an assassin for us.

Yeah, Steph is a superstar. Showtime. Mesmerizing player with sick handles and unthinkable range, also very good at finishing around the basket.

A lot of players are exactly this, don't have the right pieces, don't get any love/credit.

I emphatically go on the side of saying Steph may be a superstar, but he's clearly overrated, and we'll see his true colors when he finally lands on a roster with subpar talent.

 

And how many of those players are elite off-ball/catch&shoot players?

 

Efficiency at rim since 2017/2018 season:

Curry: 4.9 attempts per 36 minutes, 64.4%
Lillard: 6.6 attempts per 36 minutes, 55.2%

Curry can't dunk and Lillard can, but Curry is an elite finisher around the basket in much the same way Nash was. His touch is amazing.

 

Lamian Dillard
AKA, Lame

 

I don’t like Curry but he’s a phenomenal player. A true superstar.

To discredit his ability is akin to what haters do to James Harden all the time. I don’t want to be in that group.

 

This is easily google-able. And Klay is the better off-ball catch & shoot player on that roster, not Steph.

Steph's greatest strength are exactly what I described. Again, a lot of players are that, just not as good as Steph at some of that.

Throwing in off-ball, catch & shoot as an asset to his game adds value to him, but it's obviously not a game-changer. Catch & shoot is only a great attribute to have when you have a great coach and a roster full of good/great passers. Do I have to remind people that Dray leads this team in assists, not Steph?

 

But Curry is the total package. Klay Thompson isn't.

Disagree. Being an elite catch & shoot player means that he can mesh well with other stars. By running through the lane without the ball, he can distort defenses which can create openings for his teammates.

It's actually a huge game-changer since it expands the offense tremendously.

Draymond Green may lead the team in assists, but it's Curry and Thompson who are causing the defenses to break down.

 

The Warriors won titles with Green hitting enough 3's to keep defenses honest. Why are you ignoring that? Yes, Tucker is a better 3-point shooter but Green hits enough and he's better than Tucker at everything else. He'd be fine here alongside Harden.

Iggy was a nearly 20 ppg scorer in this league prior to coming to GS. He's fine getting buckets on his own (what a luxury to have such a talent off the bench). Yes, he gets better looks playing alongside a great shooting backcourt that teams can't leave (emphasis on backcourt).

Gotcha. Then that's a moot argument. Thompson is an offensive liability.

I did, and I also looked at the results with him playing that role (titles). He doesn't need to be a deadly 3-point shooter to fit that role, but hit just enough to keep defenses honest.

I don't. You should update yours to require players to be floor-raisers.

It had to do with going small and what Iggy brought to the table in those sets on both sides of the ball.

Enough said, which is why he won Finals MVP.

It's a great comparison because both players won with their defensive impact when having to face LeBron. Defense is not more important than offense. They are equally important. You want it to be more important because Curry is a zero on one side of that equation.

False. He still demands attention because he is a good spot up shooter with range.

He's good enough to hit enough of them to keep defenses honest and keep him on the court as a small ball center while his teams win titles. Good enough for me....

His seasons in Houston show how few ball-handlers and shot creators we have had on our roster. The seasons with Mike D highlight a system where the coach prefers one player to be ball dominant.

 

I'm not arguing who is better, but Curry get's much better looks at the rim and driving lanes due to his surrounding talent that you couldn't leave.

 

He got hurt.

Did you miss that?

https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular Season

you were the one using that year.

I keep defending that because it is true he is much better at finishing through contact and does it far more, if Curry was as good he would do it more.

 

You must be referring to offense only...cuz there is this thing called defense.

 

You won't see that. He didn't have subpar talent this year, and next year they get Klay back and a top draft pick.

 

I was using within 5 feet and where did you get those stats from?

he has doubled his shots within 5 feet I wonder what the descrepency is.

https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season

 

Also due to his own talent — players are forced to guard him differently because of his unique shooting proficiency.

 

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