What divides us won’t be along race, it will be based on beliefs as evidenced

The President runs his bigoted and nasty mouth and breaks laws...all with Congress and State Republicans running lockstep behind him.

That don't sound so fringe, but I guess the mental gymnastics in your reply is what it takes for you "non-fringers" to stay silent to the current Potus cluster****.

 

LMAO, that would fit the MSM "narrative" wouldn't it?

Not claiming anything other than pointing out that just because someone is a conservative/Republican isn't evil or "worship evil" as you had put it. However, the Democrats do have a history of evil, and continue to support evil in the name of "good" and "equal".

 

Is there another word for 'evil', I mean I hear educated people use it a ton around here.

It seems generalized and very black and white of a term. (like used in a Salem witch trial)

I do not believe in the word and its impact.

 

What is your purpose here? Beating up strawmen?

Debate the claim I made, not the claim you think I made.

I said modern Republicans worship the Confederate flag. Think of the GOP as a giant circle and the people who wave the Confederate flag as a smaller circle within the GOP.

Modern Democrats don't like the Confederate flag outside of some blue dog conservative Democrats in states like Alabama.

Look dude, it's obvious you have no valuable input here if you regulate yourself to actually countering points I made. Hence why you probably resort to strawmen.

 

NBC reporting Trump's numbers re: nonwhite voters basically unchanged since 2016:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...-trump-s-big-polling-deficit-two-key-n1234605

excerpt:

If there’s a surprising weakness for Biden, it’s nonwhite voters, especially Latinos. He’s carrying African Americans by 75 points over Trump in the latest polls, down from Clinton’s 80-point margin in 2016. But Trump has narrowed the gap among Latino voters to 30 points, down from his 40 point deficit four years ago.

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This is interesting: it shows the Democratic Party losing grip on Blacks and Hispanics. I'm neither, but the Party lost its grip on me.
Here's our "free choice" election:
white guy or white guy?
millionaire or billionaire?
Seventysomething or seventysomething?
love Israel or love Israel?
fear Russia or fear Russia?
$800,000,000,000 defense budget or $800,000,000,000 defense budget?
and so on

It looks like two Republican parties. I won't vote for Biden.

 

We don't have a republican version of the squad. I'm curious who, besides the Donald you consider fringe.

The orange dude steps over his own di!ck and it's definitely cringe worthy stuff. I don't know why he's digging in his heels on this. I mean, it's just a plucking name that offends a group of Americans, let it go, I say. But I also I understand he's drawing a line against cancel culture. It's just the wrong battle to take a stance on. But that's what he does. He's polarizing.

We are about to see a **** ton of corruption exposed coming from the Obama admin. We all know what it is and one side cares, the other doesn't. If the Donald can come through and expose it....ALL.....scorched earth, I say. If he does that, his job is done. Hopefully the nation opens their eyes to the corruption ON BOTH SIDES and we say, NO MORE. We have about 4mo, and then he's got a lame duck time period (if he loses) to make it happen. I hope he goes big and pulls back the curtain. I believe that will serve as a reset for both parties and maybe we'll get back on track.

Kinda off topic rant, but you and I have had some back and forth on different things. I don't agree with your politics but I respect you. IF the volume of corruption gets exposed as we on the right have been promised by this administration, it's my hope that YOU don't turn a blind eye. I don't expect a switch in parties, I mean, calling out and attacking not just the republicans but the dems who are involved. The nation needs to come back to the table and engage in constructive dialogue.

Mitch McConnell needs to go but unfortunately he's stuck. Someone needs to do a deep dive and flush out his seedy dealings.

 

Believes in science vs doesnt believe in science.

I dont know how in this current situation this isnt a HUGE difference?

 

And where will all these lost latino votes go?
They just will not vote?

 

I'm going to vote for someone who believes in science, but not Joe Biden.

 

Double face palm.

 

The 88% to 83% among black voting group is probably within the margin of error. When you narrow down to individual voting group, the sample is less and the margin or error is higher. An all-voting-group poll with an error of +/-3-5% isn't atypical.

The 67% to 58% among hispanic/latino is more interesting. That's almost a 10pt drop. I would be interested to understand this more.

BTW, what are you looking for in a candidate? I recall you said you voted for Clinton, which is pretty much all of the above you listed except female vs male.

 

don't vote, vote for someone else, vote for one of the two candidates... ALL OF THE ABOVE

Latino makes up about 10% of the electorate, but they are less represented in battle states (about 4% if i recall correctly)

 

I did vote for Clinton. It's true she was totally Establishment more-of-the-same, but I thought it would be good for young women if she won. I always voted Democrat.
I won't say who I'm voting for this time, because that will derail the topic. But the best candidate in the Democratic Party is supposedly Joe Biden, and that does not impress me at all.
The Democratic Party failed to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. . . . That's already one of the worst political failures in history. If they lose to Donald Trump a second time, I think they are honor bound to commit ritual seppuku en masse, as an apology to the American people and an acknowledgement of their shame.

 

It would help if people who don't want Trump relected to vote for Biden.

Do you think I like Biden? I'm voting for him. Ask yourself why.

 

If it’s a forgone conclusion who will win in your state, vote according to your conscience.

Otherwise, I would strongly encourage you to vote for Biden.

 

There isn't a lot of enthusiasm for Biden. He isn't close to being the best for the DEM. But among the groups of candidates, DEM think he has the best chance of beating Trump. Polls backup this - the number one priority was to beat Trump (65%), not to agree with him on policy (35%). The DEM voting bloc made this decision and yes, they will have to live with the result. But again, they didn't make this decision because he's the best DEM candidate.

For me, I don't care who win, as long as Trump is gone. I vote for a rock if that was the DEM choice.

ps. According to the chart in the post above, the white w/ college (net +12 for D since 2016) and 65+ (net +20 for since 2016) has swung quite a bit toward Biden and away from Trump (those groups are about 3x the share of electorate vs black and hispanic). Hope this holds up.

 

Did you say that? All I saw was “don't see any Barack fans with Confederate flags attached to their lifted trucks.”

May wanna hit up Virginia (blue state) to see them proudly flying that Confederate Flag off i-95 in Richmond (Democratic mayor).

But back to your other point.

Think of BLM as a giant circle and the people who wave the Communist Fist symbol flag as a smaller circle (BLM Inc) within BLM.

What’s my point? BLM the movement is needed and is more than a worthy cause. But BLM Inc, the racist, Marxist agenda pushing terrorists? They can GTFO.

Conservatives and Democrats each have their nut bags too. Just like good cops vs bad ones. Unfortunately in today’s climates, most of the nuts bags are representing your party.

No, modern democrats like socialism. Why are people fleeing Cuba and not the other way around? How’s socialism working out in Venezuela?

As expected. Leave it to a leftist to try to put someone down out of fear that maybe your thought process being questioned is making you realizing that you just might be wrong burns you to your core.

 

Oh another guy full of just labels for arguments.

Saying someone believes in Marxist principles for an economic system doesn't tell me anything about their moral positions. Defending the Confederacy tells me something about someone's moral positions on things like race.

Also, a debate with you is pointless because you have a catch all label for anyone who disagrees with you and that's "socialist" or "Marxist". Your arguments have no nuance beyond "vEneZuElA". The right wing has turned the term "Marxist" into an empty term that means absolutely nothing besides "people who disagree with right wing policies".

Why aren't people from Canada flleing to the US? Why aren't people from Hong Kong fleeing to the US? Why aren't people from Norway fleeing to the US? Why aren't people from Japan fleeing to the US? Why aren't people from the UK fleeing to the US?

All those countries are significanltly closer to what democratic socialists in America want such as public single payer health insurance which all those countries and autonomous regions I've listed have.

Trust me, you don't want to engage in nuance here with me. I can tell you haven't done your reading.

And are you actually trying to make an argument that modern GOP and Democrat voters have an affinity for the Confederacy at the same rate?

 

I totally get it: you're being pragmatic while I'm being too idealistic. In 2000, I spent election night sending angry emails to Ralph Nader for destroying America.
Well I'm not young anymore. I've been doing the pragmatic thing my whole life. It's not working out. I'm going to vote for who I want to be the President of the United States.
The best Democrat in the USA is Joe Biden. Wow.