Wow man...you keep on with this crap. No one is saying 3.5 is a bad rate. Stop this silly stuff. We're comparing it to whites, it is higher. Get it? A comparison is made. Do you know what a comparison is? This is like saying that Beal is a good SG because he averages like 21 points and persisting this argument even though no one is arguing that Beal is bad...while ignoring that the argument is Harden v Beal. So, is it through to you yet that a comparison is being made? Is it through your thick skull yet or will you continue to beat up this strawman?
The funny thing is, as usual, the study seems to come with a completely different conclusion than you do. Let's not even start on the premise that there are only engineering jobs to be had. It's like the conservative mindset of 'SMALL BUSINESS!" as if everyone should have a small business, as if that would solve anything. What is there to dispute? I said that the majority of majors for blacks are in Law. Again, you have yet to actually back your claim here. Your claim is that companies go out of their way to hire blacks...but there are still gaps. Large ones. Unemployed gap and the gap that @bobrek mentioned that you completely ignored, underemployment. Your whole thing is "If blacks just get educated they'd get jobs!" You even went so far as to say... So, again, why is the black/white gap so large for high-school education?
Another factor is the anti discrimination act that will levy heavy fines on offenders including losing jobs and attracting poor press. Also worth considering is the continuing decline in jobless rates for black people and an increase in higher profile positions for minority groups including women. This can be attributed in part to greater participation in education programs. So while there may still be some discrimination, it is on the decline. It is also interesting to note that black middle class people is at the highest rate it has ever been.
Bro a degree ain't a guarantee. Is a engineering not better than a bachelor of arts? . Before you say some more dumb **** answer the simple question. Ask any lawyer on this board can tell you how the job market has declined for them. Too many lawyers. And btw Law is a grad degree anyway another false comparison you're making. Asking me about back up where the hell is your back up for your claim about blacks and law degrees? TIA . All degrees ain't the same. Are you really to stupid to understand that? You just arguing to argue. You didn't refute anything about the article I posted to back up the claim about different degrees. The market changes. During the 80s oil bust there were a bunch of unemployed engineers.
Who said getting a degree is a guarantee? You are the one that said if you're black and have a degree companies are just dying to hire you. You're just wrong there. Flat out. Wrong. Then you even doubled down and said that just having a high school degree nets you a job and that gap is wider lol. I wouldn't ask someone on the board, that's the difference between me and you, I don't take anecdotal evidence as some source to make some larger general point. You been on this board too f'n long to know everything I say I have a source for. You asking is just wasting a minute of my time, especially since you won't look at it or you'll just revert to the same tired talking points any way. http://www.takepart.com/article/2016/02/09/black-students-dont-pick-majors-high-paying-jobs LOL, moving those goalposts? This whole time I've been arguing against your ideat that if blacks get a degree they'll be fine because corporations are dying to hire black people, except, if that were true there wouldn't be a gap. I'm on a debate forum you fool. I'm replying to your posts. I refuted your idea that all black people need is an education because corporations are dying to hire them. Your article's conclusion is that there is system racism. In fact, it's about access not being availiable to blacks AND hispanics, it's not even about the lack of engineering degrees, its arguing that is a thing because of the system and that this system fails BLACKS AND HISPANICS. In fact, its argument is that Engineering degrees are more expensive and so blacks AND hispanics are priced out of Engineering because of their upbringing...you know, the past that you think isn't relevant today? What they thought their analysis revealed? So this is the study you keep going on about? The one that says the system is to blame for the lack of engineering degrees?
@pgabriel Now, another thing about you... Bobrek made a strong post to you and your replies are hilarious to me but not surprising. Here are your replies lol... So what, who cares about what you THINK? Seriously. then... "I've decided not to trust those numbers because they feel wrong to me..." So yeah brah, don't come at me with "You refute nothing" your idea of refuting something is... "I think..." and "I don't trust numbers, they seem wrong to me."
You riding brobek to argue with me. Did you see him say he thought the gap was small It's so stupid to argue it should be exact Millions of people Millions of jobs 100s of types of jobs. That's supposed to equal an exact correlation? You dont know **** about numbers either
You post an article that explains black kids dont choose well paying degrees to argue with me that black kids don't choose well paying degrees. You're an idiot. Sorry. You're all over the charts making no sense hanging on to past of racism. The rest of us are moving forward . We'd like you to join but you can't make the horse drink .
@JayGoogle You can't have it both ways. You can't say 3.5% is a good unemployment but blacks re getting screwed Secondly corporations don't invent jobs out of charity. Supply and demand The job market is governed by Engineering Healthcare Data management Trades That's what gets first dibs because corporations and the economy need them Not because Mr Big tried to only offer jobs not as many black people can do. Since we're rehashing unanswered questions do you think Hispanics learn trdes at 20k a year schools? Miss me with the sorry argument they hire Hispanics not to hire blacks. Yeah the trumps love Hispanics because they eat Goya
@JayGoogle In March last year the overall unemployment rate was 3.6%. It hadn't been that low in fifty years
@JayGoogle Sorry to everyone for all the posts. Black people have to stop looking at white people for affirmation. Now I'm not justifying segregation. People are talking about red lining and the G.I. Bill. Red lining was disposable but red lining didn't stop blacks from getting homes. Segregation isn't right but it didn't stop blacks from improving their own communities. Black neighborhoods are a thing of the past so this subject doesn't matter in practical terms but black neighborhoods were nicer when blacks had no choice but to live in them. The few black middle class and wealthy lived in them also. We complain about white flight. Who gives a **** if whites didn't want to be with us in the long run. Jewish people never complained about having to live in Jewish neighborhoods. Then we flee our own neighborhoods in pursuit of living with massa in the big house and then complain about gentrification. We're lost We are stuck in a slave mentality We just look at white people so we can affirm ourselves. We are the only minority that does that. It's one thing to argue we strive for the same unemployment rate its another to argue the rate isn't good and we can't build on it and we need mass to save us Freedom isn't about being like white people its about free will
Huh? I'm just pointing out how you 'refuted' his numbers with your feelings and thoughts. Who said it had to be equal dude, you keep putting words in my posts. I said that your point, your argument that corporations are begging for educated black people seems to be contradicted by NUMBERS. You've danced around this with every post.
WOW. You did it again. You don't seem to understand what a COMPARISON is. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. NO ONE SAID 3.5 IS BAD UNEMPLOYMENT. When are you going to understand that isn't my argument? I mean in this post you make up two arguments I never made. Your question is completely irrelevant to my point...but your own article basically says that blacks and hispanics attend more for-profit schools in general. You have that question, why don't you go find the answer? It's irrelevant to my point.
LOL. This post man... Yeah man, you just live in a different world. I don't have to say more to someone that believes black neighborhoods don't exist anymore.
Agree, but it is difficult to see how to proceed. Perhaps some programs where there is more practical hands-on learning like apprenticeships and life skills. As far as the higher up positions - I have no idea.
Actually by you stating that there's Systemic Racism, you're implying our System is holding back the Black community. This is 100% false. You're right, my parents migrating here isn't the same. It's actually bigger uphill battle when you migrate here from a third world country, come from poverty themselves, and cant even speak the language of the country you're moving to. Actually no, my parents are not educated. I grew up in Alief, my dad worked 7x365, 12-16 hours/day at a gas station. Then bought his own gas station, continued to work 7x365 16-18 hours/day - yes, literally NO DAYS OFF for over 10 years. My mom took care of me and my brother. My dad didn't work his ass off cuz he enjoyed it. He didnt sacrifice and delay vacations, family time, buying nice things because cuz he enjoyed it or cuz he was cheap. He did it to be able to provide for us and to move us to a better and safer community. My parents didnt come from money or wealth. They didnt have a lineage or background of success. All they've done is HARD WORK with DETERMINATION. They saw the value of the American System and took advantage of it. What's holding the Black community from doing the same? Racism? White Supremacy? The American System? Sorry, I don't buy it. Why do you think this is? You think "white supremacists" are feeding them this fallacy and BS? Or is it being fed internally within their communities? How about when the Black Youths and Adults work hard to educate themselves and strive to get out of their communities for a better/safer one, they get labeled as a a coon, Uncle Tom, sell-out, White Man Wannabe? Are "white supremacists" saying these things to them? You say "broken homes", "no role models", "mothers have to work crazy hours" - where are the fathers and role models? Is this due to "white supremacy" or racism? Or are there some Black Fathers that aren't taking responsibility for their actions and owning up to their responsibilities? Lack of education in schools? Education sucks in your neighborhood? Move to a better community. Cant afford it? How about working your ass off, living below your means until you can afford to move to a better situation. If you're born into poverty, that's not your fault, but If you stay in poverty, that's on you. I'm in no way saying that racism doesn't exist or that the Black Community in general doesn't have a difficult ladder to climb. It would be ignorant of me to think otherwise. However, playing the victim card and blaming other people for their problems is not going to be the long-term solution for success. I know this may ruffle some feathers, but as long as the Black community allows themselves to get fed this Victim Mentality BS, it is NOT going to help their community rise to their potential of wealth and success that they're capable of.
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