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Trump Sends Unmarked Fed Goons to Kidnap Protesters

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by fallenphoenix, Jul 17, 2020.

  1. Nook

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    Yes it is.
     
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  2. KingCheetah

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    It's almost like Trump is trying to create a situation where he has to declare martial law -- if his team can just figure out a way to spread the rage nation wide.
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes I think there is definitely something to that.
     
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  4. Os Trigonum

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    so why don’t the protesters stop?
     
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  5. IBTL

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    Haha why do you hate the 1st amendment so much?
     
  6. Nook

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    Why would they stop when they are effectively bringing attention to their causes?

    The reality is that the protests have been overwhelmingly effective, to a degree that I do not think anyone could have reasonably expected.
     
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    that's just about the worst non sequitur I've ever seen here
     
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    The major issue I'm looking at is him using his "Brown Shirts" in a Blue City in a Red State with a Trump Governor. Will the Red State Governor use their power to basically overthrow the mayor of that city using the same tools used in Flint, Michigan to install of "crisis manager?" Trump's major issue is blue states and red states with blue state cities. He needs to CONTROL them going in to the Fall and in his second term if he stays in power.

    Look at what we've got now:

    -State Media fascist propaganda outlets
    -A fascist leader who already says he's not leaving office and refuses to recognize democratic elections
    -An agreement with the Business world billionaires to support the fascist leader in exchange for corporate giveaways
    -Congressional cooperation in the Senate (senior body of Congress)

    and now the fascist leader has his own brown shirts

    Only thing I see that Trump does not have is Trump youth camps, and Maaayyyyybbee judicial legitimacy. The stacking of the courts and the potential to get a pure partisan in RGB's seat if they can push her out doesn't bode well for that legitimacy.

    This is modern day Fascism folks. This Fall and Winter will define our country for generations.
     
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    Two paragraphs...

    ...A mountain of ignorance
     
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  11. IBTL

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    Oh right i meant 2nd amendment...Lol are you still worried about the antifa moms

    Party over country is a good look for you keep posting my man!!
     
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  12. FranchiseBlade

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    A whole three of them. LOL. Arrest those three, and let the protests continue. But let's have them arrested by local authorities who identify themselves.
     
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  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes. If only people didn't speak up and take action about injustices, it sure would be peaceful. But sadly, folks just want to try and exercise their first amendment rights in order to help make improvements.
     
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    Listening to Steve Schmidt and Rick Wilson the Lincoln project is delivering what they promised. Very hard hitting negative ads targeting Trump and Congressional supporters of Trump. Further the Lincoln Project isn't just about winning over Republicans. It's about getting Trump out of office. That they have ads criticizing Trump on things like the ACA has to do with that the ACA polls well. In addition though they have ads that come at Trump from issues that are more on the right such as his relationship with the PRC. Also ads dealing with corruption especially their ad around Ivanka Trump telling people dealing with economic crisis to "try something new" is meant to counter Trump's populist image.

    The one area that I think is a fair criticism is that they've raised a lot of money yet are spending a lot on overhead and organization. Even as they continue to push for more donations. For @Os Trigonum if you want to see a pretty good criticism of them and one that you can see get's under Rick Wilson's skin see this one.


    For cartoons this is a very tough interview.
     
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    That was tough, especially the b**** comment.

    Don't really care about the overhead thing and I thought he gave a good answer, like I said they are doing what people are paying them for and well.

    This is not a charity and not financially benefitting a candidate so this grifting thing rings hollow.

    Now they deserve to get all of the grief for setting the stage for Trump by all of the dog whistles that they used in the past.
     
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    Your US Department of Homeland Security Employees of the Month ladies and Gentlemen



    Hopefully this puts the final nail in DHS shitty coffin.

    It was a questionable idea and didn't work, and is now broken and doing more harm than good.
     
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    Trump has created a secret police force to harass protestors. Do people not know history at all???
     
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    "The Mess in Portland":

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mess-in-portland-11595286956?mod=hp_opin_pos_2

    The Mess in Portland
    Progressives blame Trump for the disorder they’ve tolerated.
    By The Editorial Board
    July 20, 2020 7:15 pm ET

    Anarchists and rioters have wreaked havoc on Portland, Ore., for nearly two months. Democrats have excused and emboldened them, and they’re now claiming the real problem is that federal law enforcement has intervened to restore order. Maybe the feds should leave and let the city put out its own fires.

    Peaceful protests broke out in Portland in late May in response to the killing of George Floyd, but they’ve quickly escalated to rioting and vandalism. Demonstrators have launched large fireworks at law enforcement, shone laser pointers at their eyes, thrown fecal matter, and assaulted at least one officer with a hammer.

    The Department of Homeland Security reports that rioters are armed with rifles, tasers, slingshots and sledgehammers and have committed multiple acts of arson. On July 3 someone firebombed the Hatfield U.S. Courthouse, and scarcely a day passes without graffiti and property damage.

    If radicals feel emboldened, that’s because Portland has long allowed political violence to occur with impunity. In recent years dueling marches by Antifa and far-right activists have descended into brawling, and too often police have done little to stop it. Assaults have gone unpunished, including a violent attack on journalist Andy Ngo. Portland Police admit that they sometimes simply walk away from protests—er, strategically disengage.

    In early June Mayor Ted Wheeler told police to refrain from using tear gas unless there’s “violence that threatens life safety.” Federal Judge Marco Hernandez also issued an injunction prohibiting the use of tear gas “to disperse crowds where there is no or little risk of injury.” And on June 30, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown signed legislation that bans tear gas unless police declare a riot.

    Enter federal agents, who face no such restrictions on crowd-control tactics. After a June 26 executive order by President Trump, officers from Customs and Border Protection, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Federal Protective Service were dispatched to Portland to safeguard federal property.

    “Mr. President, this is an attack on our democracy,” Mayor Wheeler tweeted on July 17, along with a New York Times headline claiming “federal agents unleash militarized crackdown on Portland.” Nonsense. Federal law clearly allows the Secretary of Homeland Security to dispatch agents to protect federal property and arrest those who threaten it.

    Critics have complained that federal agents obscure their identity and operate out of unmarked cars. Officers legitimately fear being identified by name and harassed at home, and their superiors have sometimes allowed them to obscure nameplates while still displaying their patches and badge numbers.

    Meanwhile, protesters routinely dress in identical “black bloc” attire and obscure their faces. They’ve made a habit of swarming officers who attempt an arrest, creating chaos, and helping the suspect disappear. Unmarked cars help federal agents surveil the scene without attracting unwanted attention, and they also enable law enforcement to complete arrests by choosing a safe and opportune moment to make their move. Those arrested are read their Miranda rights and booked as usual.

    We understand Mr. Trump’s desire to restore order, but he’s also saving Democrats from themselves. State and local Democrats will blame federal intervention for any and all disorder, deflecting attention from their own failures. The media will echo whatever they say. Progressives run Portland, Chicago, New York and other cities now experiencing a surge of violence. If they want to indulge the mayhem, then let them live with the consequences.
     
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  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Nice to see you supporting dictatorial rule from a strongman

    https://www.thecut.com/2020/07/portland-protesters-federal-police-trump-dhs.html


    It's clear the feds are violating laws here - arresting people without probable cause - simply attending a protest is not reason to arrest someone. Violating the constitutional rights of people isn't law and order, it's acting like a dictatorship and instead of posting articles justifying such actions, you should be standing against it.

    This is why people doubt you are a Biden supporter.
     
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