I just posted that the overall unemployment gap was at it lowest dince 1972 last August. This isn't a cop out but I'm not making any contributions based on coronavirus levels. White people own more small businesses, they're gonna keep their own. I'm talking family. Edit: as far as Hispanics taking jobs they come with trade skills that black kids don't learn and they didn't pay a trade school
Also... even though the gap is 1.3%, the "under"employed gap is much greater. 40% of blacks with a college degree have jobs that don't typically require a college degree, compared with 31% white.
You disagreed with me in your first paragraph and then agreed with me in your second. Pecking order is just that ... a class structure. And imma go with slavery and Jim Crowe laws over white privilege as 'more insidious'
That would also have to do with the degrees. I'm sure more whites have engineering degrees Do you think a 1.3% gap is wide? Blacks not getting same degrees https://www.americanprogress.org/is...-racial-disparities-among-college-completers/
The 1.3% can be spun both ways. I don't think it's high and I am surprised it is that "low". The more disconcerting thing is the wage gap between blacks and whites. For example, for blacks and whites with advanced degrees, the gap is 17.6% in 2019 and that is actually UP from 12.5% in 2000 and 16.7% in 2007. For any college degree it is at 22.5% in 2019, again up from 2000 and 2007. While the "any" degree can be argued as to an engineering degree (or a similar type) vs a BA, but it's hard to argue the advanced degree discrepancy. If those wage gap percentages were going down it could be somewhat explained away with history in so much as whites have been in those jobs longer so their salaries would have been advancing upwards longer than blacks.
His numbers come from a think called the Economic Policy Institute. Who knows what it is because the numbers are from last year and the high school education unemployment rate seems high for blacks. I also agree the degreed gap seems small That being said I really think corporations are making an effort for diversity on the corporate level
@bobrek I never trust wage gap numbers. I understand that on the corporate level employees negotiate their wage. That being said the gap between men and women always seems very high to me to the point I don't trust them
Based on anecdotal and personal experience, I believe. I was on both ends of the gap. As a younger worker my salary was much lower than workers who were far less skilled than me simply because they were married and I "didn't need to make as much". (pretty much a verbatim quote from my female boss) As an older worker I was making more than my female counterparts. We had very few Blacks and Hispanics in our company so I don't have any valid comparisons.
I read the op/ed but haven't read through the thread yet so pardon me if these same comments have been made already. There are several problems that with this piece. First the writer is Candadian. While Canada and the US are similar there are some very key differences. The biggest being that Segregation laws remained far longer in effect in the US than they did in Canada. For that matter as a college age person living in Vancouver, one of the most diverse places in Canada, his experience would be much different than even if he lived in places like Saskatoon or Regina. Leaving the differences between Canada and the US aside one of the biggest problems is much of his argument is essentially based upon the Model Minority myth. What he even acknowledges as Asian privilege. As such his argument is really ahistorical and while he acknowledges that there was systematic discrimination against Japanese Americans for decades he doesn't consider why Japanese started doing better or for that matter why Asians and many other immigrants groups are doing good other than to say that they had to work hard. First we have to acknowledge that while Asians as a whole are doing quite well there are still groups of Asians that aren't. Hmong immigrants are one and have been beset by many of the same problems that plague other groups living in poverty. Another quirk about Asian success is that there are endemic pockets of poverty among Asians that have been here the longest in Chinatowns of NYC, SF and Toronto. It might seem odd that people how have been here for 60-70 years and in some cases were born here are stuck in poverty while more recent immigrants were much more successful. The reason is why is because these people grew up before Civil Rights many at a time when things like the Exclusion Acts were still in effect and things like red lining prevented them from living anywhere else but Chinatown. That older generation never got the same opportunities that my family had and certainly Rav Arora. This is what underlies the myth of the Model Minority. That Asians just innately and through hard work succeed. The vast majority of Asians both in the US and in Canada came here after Civil Rights without that we wouldn't have had the opportunities to live, work and go to school where we wanted. For that matter we might not have been let in at all.. That also applies to many other immigrants whether they are from India or from Nigeria. Also most Asian immigration has been voluntary with the exception of refugee populations from SE Asia. As such people like my parents and Rav's were among the most well educated and motivated to come here. In spite of what political rhetoric you might here it's not easy coming to this country. It takes years navigating a Byzantine immigration system and a lot of money. In the case of the immigration lottery a lot of luck too. For recent African immigrants these are also very successful and motivated people. For people like Cuban immigrants they actually have special status coming here and one of the reasons why they are successful is that they were among the most successful and wealthy in Cuba and fled the revolution taking with them that success. People like my family and the writers certainly worked hard and success wasn't just handed to us but to ignore that a mostly self-selected group of highly motivated, and in many cases already well educated, coming here after legal discrimination was ended is the same as people who's ancestors didn't come here willingly, were enslaved and then legally discriminated for a 100 years after that is simplistic at best. Since the writer talks about his own life as an example to make his argument I'll use mine. Like him I'm the son of immigrants. Like him I dealt with discrimination and was told to "go back to where I came from." called "Chink, Gook, Jap, Slope, Nip, Slant Eyed, Hong Kong Phooey" and any number of racist names. I'm willing to bet though that he as someone who grew up this century in Vancouver dealt with far less of that than I did growing up in Houston in the 1980's. For that matter it's likely the work done by people of my generation that has helped to make things easier and more acceptable for people of Rav's. Even given that I did deal discrimination when looking back on my life I can see where I did benefit from privilege and even though I'm not white it was my ability to be accepted or at least tolerated by white society that made a difference. One of the things that in the past few months that has been weighing on my mind is my life compared to George Floyds. Two men who are about the same age and by coincidence happened to spend much of our lives a few miles from each other across two different cities. I grew up just outside West U in a neighborhood that was overwhelmingly white and upper middle class. George Floyd grew up in the Third Ward in the Cuney Projects. Right there was a huge advantage for me compared to George Floyd but since Houston had been a segregated city if I had been born 20 years earlier my family wouldn't have been allowed to live where it did. I wouldn't have been allowed to go to Lamar high school and attend the the IB program. There is a good chance I would've had to live in the Third Ward and go to Yates like George Floyd did. While I was able to end up as an architect earning a decent living and George Floyd died on the street under the knee of police a few miles from where I sit now in many ways had a lot to do with the difference between growing up in West U and growing up in the Third Ward. Obviously it's not impossible to escape poverty and I'm not going to say that personal choices had nothing to do with where George Floyd ended up versus where I did. To escape poverty though is very difficult. My dad escaped poverty in Hong Kong and even now the rest of our family there is still poor. The will and effort it took was monumental. Because of that I was already set up and because we got to the US at that time and not earlier allowed my family the opportunities that were there. My privilege was essentially that in the 60's and 70's my dad worked to get us living in a white neighborhood and going to what had been a white school under segregation. I don't know Rav Arora but from his description that is largely the case too. He grew up in what in Canada decades ago had been a white neighborhood. He grew up in 2000's where attitudes were already much different than just 20 years ago. Unfortunately like many Asians, especially younger Asians. He's not aware of the history of struggle that got us to where we are. If I could talk to him I would tell him the same thing I've told my students and younger relatives. We aren't a model minority just because Asians are inherently smarter or just hard work. It took the overturning of a lot systemic discrimination to get here with most of the work not done by Asians.
Pecking order based on race, not class. Do you not understand the difference between class and race? And slavery / Jim Crowe laws are not insidious as they are blatant. Literally the opposite of insidious.
Jussie Smollett says otherwise. Believe what you want. Fact is a black person who is well off will not face the same hardships as a black person in poverty. And if a black person is wealthy or a celebrity, they too can (literally) get away with murder (See OJ Simpson). As a society in the US, its time we get off the race card and start dwelling on the real issue plaguing the black population ... poverty and lack of opportunities. Do you really think Blacks would really care what the white man thinks if most of them were well off? I do believe we need reparations for black communities. However the idea of restitution is absolutely idiotic. If we want to MAG(no A), we need to start lifting all disparaged groups out of poverty. But if it makes you feel better, go tear down some statutes or head out into the rural area to shake out some racists. Im sure that will fix everything.
So you are using an disgraced black entertainer as your poster child to say white privilege doesn't exist? Just because class plays a role doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. I can't believe I actually have to say that to you. And your arrogant attitude that I should go tear down some statutes because I think white privilege is a real thing demonstrates your obscene ignorance. This is the classic line of racists - when confronted with racism, say, "it's time to stop deflecting and start focusing on the real issues plaguing blacks" Classic use to justify cruelty to people. It's the victim's fault. I'm disappointed in your post.
Right racism isn't everywhere. For example, it doesn't exist in your conscious but it sure as hell exists in you.
Actually there are numerous studies that show that is exactly the case and happens regularly. It's even starker when it comes to getting promoted at the job.
Study finds minorities, women receive disproportionately few Harris County contracts R.A. Schuetz | on July 6, 2020 https://www.chron.com/business/real...n-receive-disproportionately-few-15388879.php
classic Sweet Lou 4 2. We agree in principle but disagree in semantics. We just both agreed there is an issue with systematic oppression in the black community. We both just agreed we should do something about it. We both agreed, in the very least, white people have largely been ambivalent about it. (ie. Not the black community fault). Your only retort? YOU'RE RACIST because you didn't like my post and pat me on the back. Then you have the audacity to claim I said it was the victims fault when I said the exact opposite. You're a terrible terrible troll, Sweet Lou. Stick to trolling the Youtube and Facebook comments.
