How is that not relevant today? You think 30 years is some long ago time? That affects blacks TODAY. 30 years is present day, Also, you're wrong about college, just factually wrong. We have several studies, going back to the 2013, that show that if you are black and have a degree you are twice as likely to still be unemployed. Studies that show if you are white with a criminal history YOU STILL have a better chance at finding employment than black with no criminal history. How is this not relevant today? How do we hand wave this away? If someone's dad failed to get a job that could have put their family in a better situation, that means it is relevant and affected someone's life.
Current day data. so how is that according to @pgabriel blacks are in demand yet even with degrees find it harder to find employment than whites?
I I told you how it was relevant. Black men had well paying jobs in the 60s and 70s. How many black people had college education in 1980 to even work in corporate America. You can't just go work there. But it doesn't matter in terms of wealth. Blacks had good jobs until the 80s
First of all the gap goes way down with college education so that kills your corporate America argument. Second black kids don't learn trades and that's a problem we can fix immediately
@JayGoogle Its plenty blacks working at Walmart. Seriously. It's not hard to get a high school educated required job The unemployment rate is about a lot of factors.
I'm really not sure where you're getting that data from, the wage gap has existed for a while now. What's the explanation for that? You're saying education but I literally just showed you a graph where even when educated blacks do not have even close to the same rates of unemployment. How are you explaining that then? The gap goes down but we're talking about systemic racism, again, the fact that being white and criminal gives you a better chance at employment than being black with no criminal record...that's just a fact. The fact that having a degree while being black still means you are less likely to get a job. Today. Not in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s, but today. You bringing up the 60s but it's of course possible for a country to go backwards instead of forwards, that's not evidence of systemic racism not exsiting, that's evidence of ish not getting better. I'm going to get into trade schools later...because I know this is your argument...but what makes you think having a trade while being black makes you more likely to get a job than being white and having a trade? Basically every state we have on employment shows there is a bias for white people when hiring decisions are made. Almost every study I've seen just confirms this. You explicitly said that large companies are just BEGGING for blacks to have degrees...so why does that still mean less of a chance at being employed? Again. High school educated blacks are still almost twice as likely to be unemployed. Period. Unless you have something to refute that or I don't know, something other than your opinions or feelings, that's just the facts.
Oh I dont know..maybe the fact that they have to pay at least 3k+ a head to be smuggled in? What kind of poor family has 18.000 € in cash lying around for their 6 members? And then there is the money for fake papers. But then what is 20k cash when you can have free house, free healthcare, free education and 1000€ benefit per child? Just an initial investment,right? Thats the so called "refugees" I know very well. So please stop calling immigration any kind of filter that makes people work harder. And that immigration requires education is even more laughable!
As for trade schools, again, look at the graph, I'm not sure why you believe that just going to a trade school is some magic solution. It's not. IN FACT. We see that poor people often get into debt because most trade schools are still for profit, so what happens is young black guy goes to trade school...young black guy can't find a job for his trade. Another study done. https://releases.jhu.edu/2016/09/15...s-prove-costly-for-disadvantaged-black-youth/ Not going to summarize or quote it. You need to read it yourself I think. Because these are black kids that do everything you want them to do and still end up finding themselves in a hole. I'm not saying Trade Schools Bad but I am saying that the unemployment disparity exists between whites and blacks on almost every measurable level. Why? Is it just one big coincidence?
I'm not addressing all the other stuff . You don't know how to read an unemployment rate apparently. The rate is 3.5% for blacks with a college degree and 2.2% for whites . How is that a big gap? You can't understand those numbers my other arguments are too complicated for you
I'm sorry, I need data, not stories but actual data. Otherwise I have 0 reason to believe your claim, especially since I know the kind of people that usually attack refugees aren't always honest. Also, being an immigrant isn't exactly the same thing as being a refugee.
That's a pretty big gap, especially when you claimed that large companies were just BEGGING to hire blacks...yet there's still that gap...looks like there's a ton of black educated folk still waiting to be hired I guess. You're claiming I don't know how to read graphs when you literally just said ... AFTER reading the graph. Yet, I guess you're also too stupid to see the high-school education gap up there huh?
Why are you bringing up refugees in comparison to those who go through the immigration visa processes? Those who legally immigrate (not through the refugee programs) to the US (and Europe) do have high education and skilled labor. You're also comparing Europe with the US. I know you are frustrated with the refugee situation in Greece, but to apply that situation to immigration everywhere isn't right.
We're talking about %s representing millions of people. When you're talking about so many people, an entire % is more significant than you might think. That's hundreds of thousands of black educated people that struggled to find a job...and this isn't even counting in underemployment when it comes to college education. I also believe that it is even larger when your argument is that large companies are just dying to hire black people if only they had an education...and yet we see even then they fall behind. Now, explain to me the racial unemployment gap for high school education? According to you, companies are just thirsting to hire blacks so why aren't those numbers closer across the board?
The argument is kind of dangerous territory too. I'm not intimate with the situation with Greece, but I'd challenge @malakas to find data to back those claims because a lot of people sensationalize stories like that to make it seem like it's some pandemic to kind of rile up national fervor against a group of people. I'm not saying refugees don't pretend to be poor, but is it something that's common or is it a few people that did it and it gets tossed around as a talking point every time? With America, we get the same stories that Mexicans are criminals that come here just to rape your daughters...from the PRESIDENT himself no less...but the data we have on refugees from Mexico is that they are usually people that do not break the law at all and just come here to work and escape a crappy situation. So I don't know. If there is data that shows that refugees coming into Greece are just exploiting the country, I'll admit I'm wrong. From a distance I've always thought it just a crappy situation of people fleeing terrible situations no matter what. It's bad for Europe certainly but my overvall view on refugees is just that it's a natural part of human history.
It's a big gap when you are you are holding to racism being the problem. An unemployment rate of 3.5% isn't a problem to begin with.. I can't explain the huge gap in in high school graduate unemployment but I won't blame it on systematic racism based on personal experience. I have worked degreed jobs and I currently don't. I worked for the city parks department last year. There were only blacks and Hispanics . 23% of hpd is black. I currently work at a big box store and there are plenty blacks and Hispanics. It is inside the loop. I've worked a lot of places in the last five years and most not non skilled places you hardly see any whites That being said on construction sites all the the trade jobs are held by Hispanics and Whites. Obviously this is all anecdotal. One thing that is happening to blacks we are losing jobs to Hispanics . Another reason I don't blame racism
Is that what I was arguing? Or was I arguing that there is a gap between one group and another? Right. All Anecdotal when the data says otherwise. Also, it's entirely possible for their also to just in general be anti-black bias that would not affect other groups. We've seen this throughout history where other minority groups get put above blacks. I mean, there was a time when Italians and Irish were hated minority groups and then a time when they just became accepted. You think that's just some coincidence or what...they just worked harder? I'm not saying this is what is happening with Mexicans/Blacks but you can't just say "Well, this other minority group has no issues finding work..." it still doesn't disprove that another group could face discrimination, it could just mean one group is favored by the other...especially since plenty of Hispanics can be white passing too. Which, would still feed into a hiring bias that someone else might have. Also, different minority groups can face different kinds of discrimination. This is well illustrated by Asians and Blacks, that Asians face a different kind of discrimination in this country than blacks. I can't argue your personal experience but it really does mean little to me when I look at that data. Especially when you're talking about the city of Houston which is pretty diverse in the first place and the city of Houston isn't the rest of the country obviously.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-unemployment-race-idUSKBN2431X7 Last August in an albeit very low unemployment environment the gap was at its lowest since 1972
