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Trump's coronavirus response

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. No Worries

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    Deep State, bro. Deep State. Obama is like the President of the United Deep Sates of America, doncha know.
     
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    From The New York Times:

    The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and, beginning on Wednesday, send all coronavirus patient information to a central database in Washington — a move that has alarmed public health experts who fear the data will be distorted for political gain.

    The new instructions are contained in a little-noticed document posted this week on the Department of Health and Human Services’ website, Sheryl Gay Stolberg reports. From now on, H.H.S., and not the C.D.C., will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, how many beds and ventilators are available, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.



    Centralizing control of all data under the umbrella of an inherently political apparatus is dangerous and breeds distrust,” said Nicole Lurie, who served as assistant secretary for preparedness and response under former President Barack Obama. “It appears to cut off the ability of agencies like C.D.C. to do its basic job.”

     
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    Everyone wants a vaccine except anti vaxx repugs
     
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  5. Rashmon

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    Just came to post this...

    This change could be the most insidious thing this dip$hit administration has done. Prepare for accurate reporting to be nearly impossible as they hide and obfuscate the numbers.
     
  6. edwardc

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    I think the 25th should have been done a long time ago.
     
  7. edwardc

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    Ha ha that's so laughable.
     
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  8. Hakeemtheking

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    Trump going off the deep end in regards to Fauci and the CDC. The guy is completely unravelling before a nation. Holy chit.
     
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    Yes he is!! Totally incompetent, dangerous, and irresponsible.

     
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    Expect new covid cases to miraculously come down to “zero” by the weekend!

    thanks Trump!
     
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    I'd love to eat crow if it meant that thousands of Americans could stop dying at rates unseen in other first-world countries.
     
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    I agree this is bad and will make accurate reporting more difficult. That said states are still releasing their own data so from that we can still get a good picture of what is going on.

    Also one of the great tragedies of this whole crisis has been the neutering of the CDC. It once was one of the most respected institutions both here and World wide..
     
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    Number up until this point are also not accurate based on how the data is currently being collected. At the very worst, its a lateral move.

    Reports out of Florida have stated many clinics reported 100% of their patients tested positive. Sorry that’s extremely hard to believe.

    Per the CDC, “However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold.”

    So when you test positive for the antibodies- that’s a positive case. And when you test positive, people are getting tested multiple times after that. Does this count as 1 positive case or multiple?

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html
     
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    It isn't just 100% positive tests, but also 100% negative tests from some labs. Looks like it's a data-entry issue in Florida. If the governor would get his crap together, maybe they'd figure it ou:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/

    Florida is also skewing more their positive test rate as they are only counting one positive test for one person, but counting all negative tests for that same person.

    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...0200715-cpwwngaefzdnpitbs7buh7zsei-story.html

    Florida’s hidden data skews COVID-19 test results


    And per the CDC, tests and cases are two different things:

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html

     
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  17. Nook

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    No it isn't at worst a lateral move. The President of the USA is suppressing information on a topic that has been politically devastating for him because he has handled it so poorly.
     
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    Yep. Smells like China.
     
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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/politics/russia-cyberattack-covid-vaccine-research/index.html



    (CNN)
    Russian cyber actors are targeting organizations involved in coronavirus vaccine development, according to a new warning by US, UK and Canadian security officials on Thursday that details activity by a Russian hacking group called APT29, which also goes by the name "the Dukes" or "Cozy Bear."

    An advisory published by the UK National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC) details activity by the Russian hacking group and explicitly calls out efforts to target US, UK and Canadian vaccine research and development organizations.
    "APT29's campaign of malicious activity is ongoing, predominantly against government, diplomatic, think tank, healthcare and energy targets to steal valuable intellectual property," a press release on the advisory said.
    Cozy Bear is one of two hacking groups linked to Russian intelligence that is believed to have accessed the Democratic National Committee's internal systems in the lead-up to the 2016 US election, but Thursday's announcement is the first time this group has been named in connection to cyberattacks related to the coronavirus pandemic.

    The Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Thursday that Russia "has nothing to do" with the hacking attacks targeting organizations involved in coronavirus vaccine development, according to the state-run news agency TASS.
    "We do not have information regarding who could have hacked pharmaceutical companies and research centers in the UK," he said. Referring to a UK government statement Thursday that "it is almost certain" Russian actors sought to interfere in the country's 2019 election, Peskov continued, saying: "We can say one thing — Russia has nothing to do with these attempts and we do not accept such accusations just like we don't accept yet another set of unfounded accusations of interference in the 2019 elections."

    Thursday's advisory comes as the number of coronavirus cases in the US continues to surge while researchers race to develop a vaccine.
    The US, UK and Canadian authorities have issued several warnings about state-backed cyberattacks against organizations involved in the coronavirus response in recent months.
    In April, CNN also reported on a growing wave of cyberattacks on US government agencies and medical institutions leading the pandemic response by nation states and criminal groups.
    Hospitals, research laboratories, health care providers and pharmaceutical companies have all been hit, officials said at the time.
    The Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention -- has also been struck by a surge of daily strikes, an official with direct knowledge of the attacks previously told CNN, adding that Russia and China were the primary culprits.
    "The National Security Agency (NSA), along with our partners, remains steadfast in its commitment to protecting national security by collectively issuing this critical cybersecurity advisory as foreign actors continue to take advantage of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic," NSA Cybersecurity Director Anne Neuberger said in a statement after Thursday's advisory was published.
    "APT29 has a long history of targeting governmental, diplomatic, think tank, healthcare and energy organizations for intelligence gain so we encourage everyone to take this threat seriously and apply the mitigations issued in the advisory," she said.
    The NCSC, which is the UK's lead technical authority on cyber security and part of the UK's Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), assessed that APT29 "almost certainly operate as part of Russian Intelligence Services."

    This assessment is also supported by partners at the Canadian Communication Security Establishment (CSE), the US Department for Homeland Security (DHS) Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) and the National Security Agency (NSA), the NCSC said.
    Specifically, APT29 uses a variety of tools and techniques, including spear phishing and custom malware known as "WellMess" and "WellMail", according to the NCSC.
    The report concluded that: "APT29 is likely to continue to target organizations involved in COVID-19 vaccine research and development, as they seek to answer additional intelligence questions relating to the pandemic."
    "We condemn these despicable attacks against those doing vital work to combat the coronavirus pandemic," NCSC Director of Operations, Paul Chichester, said in a statement. "Working with our allies, the NCSC is committed to protecting our most critical assets and our top priority at this time is to protect the health sector."
    British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said Thursday that it is "completely unacceptable" that Russian intelligence services are targeting those working to develop a vaccine.
    "While others pursue their selfish interests with reckless behavior, the UK and its allies are getting on with the hard work of finding a vaccine and protecting global health," he said, adding that the UK will "continue to counter those conducting such cyber attacks" and work with allies to hold them to account.
    This story has been updated with additional background information.
    CNN's Donie O'Sullivan in New York and Mary Ilyushina in Moscow contributed to this report.

    • This isn't going to look good for Trump. He has gone out of his way to cozy up to Russia......... we had Bounty Gate and now we have Russia attempting to sabotage research into COVID19 and a vaccine.......
     
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  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Trump lovers don't care, they think Covid is a hoax
     
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