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2020 Presidential Election

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  1. jiggyfly

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    Democrats need to speak to economic fears and not Republicans?

    And then in the 2nd paragraph the author says that Democrats are actually passing bills to do something about jobs but the Senate will not even take them up but its a Democratic problem?

    How does this make any sense?

    Why do you keep posting crappy articles that have no logic?
     
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  3. ROXTXIA

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    Yep.

    My dad is a loyal Trump guy. He fits the mold: Small town, Midwestern, white, didn't pay much attention in high school, certainly didn't go to college. (A great father; and politics is the reef we always steer around in our conversations.) My dad has health issues, 75 years old. Doesn't want me anywhere near him until coronavirus is over.

    And he will stay true to Trump, no matter how horrific Trump has made this pandemic, until the bow splits from the stern and the whole thing sinks to the bottom of the North Atlantic in two major pieces connected only by a field of debris.

    Why? Loyalty, loyalty, loyalty. My dad's a racist, so Trump's his guy. He won't say it that way, of course, but my dad took a hop on the big red (orange, really) birther fire truck and never got back down.
     
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  4. ROXTXIA

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    That's really all he's got.

    Oh, wait....was your question rhetorical? Sorry.
     
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    Yeah, this seems like a possible winner
     
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  6. NewRoxFan

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    Latest Cook Political newsletter analysis...

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    New July 2020 Electoral College Ratings
    This election is looking more like a Democratic tsunami than simply a Blue wave. President Trump, mired in some of the lowest job approval ratings of his presidency, is trailing Biden by significant margins in key battleground states like Pennsylvania (8 points), Michigan (9 points), and Wisconsin (9 points). He’s even running behind Biden in his firewall states of Florida and North Carolina.

    We’ve made changes to our Electoral College ratings to reflect this reality.
    • Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Nebraska’s 2nd district move from Toss Up to Lean Democrat.
    • Maine, once in Lean Democrat, moves to the safer Likely Democratic category.
    • Georgia has joined Arizona, North Carolina and Florida in the Toss Up column, although, at this point, Biden would be slightly favored to win at least Arizona and Florida.
    • Maine’s 2nd district has moved from Likely Republican to a more competitive Lean Republican.
    These moves alone push Biden over the 270 electoral vote threshold (to 279).

    Republican strategists we’ve spoken with this week think Trump is close to the point of no return. A couple of others wondered if Trump had reached his “Katrina” moment: a permanent loss of trust and faith of the majority of voters.

    In talking with strategists on both sides this last week, it’s also clear that Trump is dragging Republican congressional candidates with him as well.

    Plugged in strategists on both sides tell us that Trump is running behind in districts he easily carried in 2016. As one GOP strategist told us this week, “I’d be surprised if any House GOP challenger is able to outperform Trump — they are tied to him.” Meanwhile, Democratic Senate candidates — even those in second and third-tier races — are pulling in eye-popping second-quarter fundraising totals.

    Can things change between now and November? Of course. So, this comes with that important caveat. But, we also know that the president is not interested in changing his approach or focus. As one strategist who has been doing extensive focus group work with suburban voters tells us, “they are mostly done with Trump.”

    One of the biggest unknowns, however, is voting itself. As we’ve seen this spring and early summer, most states are not prepared for an onslaught of absentee ballots. And confusion about how/where to vote could impact turnout. Moreover, if voters start to sense that the race for president is a blow-out, will they be more willing to split their tickets to ensure a ‘check and balance’ in Washington next fall? At least one Republican I spoke with, however, was wary of a check and balance working this year, telling me that “people are looking for a restart and a reset.” That includes down-ballot candidates as well as the president.
    https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/...itics/new-july-2020-electoral-college-ratings
     
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    That's a great article and reflects a lot of what I've heard from Trump supporters. That they feel like they are trapped on a hell ship yet direct their anger not towards the Captain but the Captain's enemies shows again how successful of a conman Trump is. A good conman will convince someone that his enemies are yours. It's almost a type of Stockholm syndrome where you fight to defend the con artist even though you know on a certain level that you've been conned. The alternative is having to admit to yourself and worst to those you don't like you were conned.

    Also this article shows why I believe that as soon as Trump leaves there will be a reckoning in the party.
     
  9. jiggyfly

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    This.

    Makes me also wonder if there is a secret Anti Trump vote, some of his public defenders are probably tired of being embarrassed but don't want to publicly admit it.
     
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  10. ROXTXIA

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    When the Republicans can't rely on Rasmussen for good numbers...........

    Maybe OAN can start their own polling. Trump 96% approval rating?
     
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    I think we talked before about the secret anti-trump vote being suburban women with Trumper husbands who they don't like getting into it with. Kind of makes me curious to see if there's any fallout of the Trump admin's pursuit of controlling womens organs. Even many Pro-Life women still want the ability to use birth control, and if they knew how the Trump admin is trying to even deny the ability to have birth control paid for in your health insurance that is an issue you'd have to think that, IF COMMUNICATED TO THEM, would further solidify these women in the suburbs changing their votes even if they agree with much of the FoxNews "culture war" issues.

    Just an interesting thought I had today when the SCOTUS decision was announced.
     
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  12. jiggyfly

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    I think the suburban women are not really silent anymore but I get where you are coming from, I am talking about some of the maga hat wearers, I think they will probably not vote instead of voting for Biden.
     
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    First, interesting he doesn't commit to supporting trump. And second... he must not really know trump well if he anticipates Trump will wear a mask when he visits the city Friday. 'The president is expected to follow the rules just like everybody else.'".

     
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    OAN (Gravis) did release numbers last week...had Trump up 4 in Arizona and McSally up 4 in Arizona as well. Trump also had a 52% approval rate for Arizona in the survey.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2020/Gravis_Arizona_June_2020.pdf
     
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    There is a clear pattern here. The President has no answers to any of the real problems in this country.... so distract.... attack a black NASCAR driver, go after a QB..... now bring statues to rallies.... anything to distract from the reality.
     
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    I wonder how the public would treat Republican leadership had the Senate voted to convict Trump.

    Would the voters be more patient if they could claim the loss in leadership at a crucial time?
     
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    There might be but it is matched or exceeded by a secret pro-Trump vote.
     
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  19. RayRay10

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    No, I think his base would have punished the Republicans this November if it came down to it. It's likely we would see a number of Trumpian candidates make noise and another possible Trumpster may have risen to take on Pence in the primaries. The party would have likely had an internal civil war with a number of different sides trying to gain power.

    Instead, the outcome may be just as bad for the Republicans, only they pushed the buck down the road a bit. Then again, if Coronavirus had been raging at the time of impeachment, we may have seen a few more defectors.
     
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    They’re still realizable, consistently his most favorable pollsters.
     
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