1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Whitlock going full Fox News.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, Jul 6, 2020.

  1. AleksandarN

    AleksandarN Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2001
    Messages:
    5,109
    Likes Received:
    6,812
    Yes also surprised how many women are religious as they were treated less valuable than livestock in almost every religion
     
    #21 AleksandarN, Jul 6, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2020
    jiggyfly and RayRay10 like this.
  2. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    60,212
    Likes Received:
    134,038
    This is true as well.

    My wife is from Iraq and has zero use for Islam and is quite hard on the majority of Christianity as well.... she points out that Islam has been used to justify the marginalization of women and that Christianity since Mary Magdalen has been used to limit what being a woman means.

    I saw her go off in Aramaic at a Persian woman... and then insult her again in Arabic over comments the woman made about my wife not covering her head and face.
     
    malakas, davidio840, jiggyfly and 3 others like this.
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,859
    Likes Received:
    3,732

    I just want to say its good to have you in this forum. I don't always agree with you but I appreciate your independent thought. I always think of you as one of the Steve Francis defenders like me. You're also very level headed. I appreciate all the level headed guys as I do not like having a bad temper.

    Not a Whitlock fan but I appreciate a lot of his takes on blacks. Surprised to hear you support some of it
     
    Wattafan, Os Trigonum and JumpMan like this.
  4. JumpMan

    JumpMan Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Messages:
    8,555
    Likes Received:
    4,968
    Thanks. I get that a lot in person. Man, I love Steve Francis. I was too involved in those discussions, though. You gotta be aware when you become too involved. TBH, it was so bad that I started to root more for Francis than the Rockets. I wanted to be right about him so bad that I couldn't enjoy a Rockets' win if he had a bad game and I would be happy when he had a good game even if the Rockets lost! SMH, so sad. That's why I took a step back from talking about the Rockets.

    Speak for Yourself, which I assume is Whitlock's brainchild, is why I like him. I agree with him most of the time. Especially his takes on patriarchy, fatherhood, manhood, leadership, and ownership. I learned a lot about him from the articles linked here... he's been consistent over the years is the best I could say.
     
    Os Trigonum and RayRay10 like this.
  5. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    21,011
    Likes Received:
    16,856
    Especially Muslim.

    Even as a youngster (pre teen) I never was comfortable how women where segregated and subservient.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  6. JumpMan

    JumpMan Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Messages:
    8,555
    Likes Received:
    4,968
    If I'm not mistaken you were in the armed forces, isn't respect important for you guys? I imagine you were taught to respect those above and below you and even your enemies. Men need respect even in disagreement.

    How do you know that? Has she told you that she wouldn't wear the hijab if not for things that happened hundreds of years ago? For all you know, she agrees with structure and order in a society. Maybe she sees all these Karens and Kens running around acting crazy and sees the need for some order in society. Maybe she doesn't agree with the do what you want whenever you want society of today.

    I'm sure most Christians know that it is wrong to use the Bible to justify an evil like slavery.

    The Undefeated of today is not what Whitlock envisioned. Makes me wonder if ESPN was serious or if they knew what Whitlock was about or if they weren't planning on going woke. That said, some people are better off being alone and therefore don't make good leaders.

    I think it played a role in Whitlock's failure. But he played a major role himself.

    After reading the articles you posted, I agree that there was a great lack of respect for Whitlock as a leader, but he didn't seem to respect many either. It's surprising to read all of that because on his own show he was self-deprecating and the guys made fun of him all the time about his weight, his forever aloneness, and his hot takes. Who knows how he was to them behind the scenes or if he actually changed or if there was just mutual respect amongst all of them that made all of that bearable to him.

    I am disappointed in this recent move. I listened to him and Clay Travis together last night and it just doesn't sound right. They just don't have chemistry together and it doesn't seem like it could be developed. Maybe Whitlock needs black men or white dudes like Ric Bucher to vibe with.

    I think he was a wannabee Bill Simmons, but he lacks Simmons' charm, vision, and humor.

    This from a guy who bragged about running trains on girls with his buddies. How valuable were those women to you?
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  7. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    55,682
    Likes Received:
    43,473
    I'm sure those women were adults similar to his age. That means those women have agency as adult humans. You have to respect their ability to have their own agency.
     
    Nook likes this.
  8. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    60,212
    Likes Received:
    134,038
    Thank you for proving my point brother.

    You are the one that views the sexual choices a woman makes as devaluing them. I didn't think any less or different towards them for sleeping with me or my friends. They are adults, they are consenting and they have ownership of their body and no one else.

    You are the one with issues towards women and sex.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  9. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    60,212
    Likes Received:
    134,038
    This.

    I have never had sex with a woman against her will. I have never pressured a woman to have sex with me. He has an outdated view of women and their sexuality as property.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  10. JumpMan

    JumpMan Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Messages:
    8,555
    Likes Received:
    4,968
    Oh I respect their freedom to do what they want. Even if it's something I don't agree with like having trains ran on them. I just don't agree that it's the correct thing to do. Nor do I believe that someone who participates in them values himself or the woman who makes that type of choice.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  11. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    60,212
    Likes Received:
    134,038
    So you are the one that has a negative view of female sexuality........ stop putting your flawed and antiquated values on others.
     
    RayRay10 and jiggyfly like this.
  12. JumpMan

    JumpMan Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Messages:
    8,555
    Likes Received:
    4,968
    If you truly respected and loved women and yourself, you wouldn't participate in those types of acts. If I'm not confusing you for someone else, you are open to all kinds of things in your marriage so this won't be a pleasant conversation.

    That said, do women have ownership of their mind? Cause you made that humblebrag to devalue the press secretary. Did you not?
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  13. bongman

    bongman Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,213
    Likes Received:
    1,413
    Serious question, how do you evaluate what is good and bad? What type of metrics do you use? Kindly educate us so we can know the errors of our ways.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  14. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    81,718
    Likes Received:
    122,137
     
    RayRay10 and Nook like this.
  15. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    60,212
    Likes Received:
    134,038
    If you truly did not have a negative view of sexuality and the right for women to have freedom of choice, you would not have a negative view of what consenting adults choose to do. No one owns anyone else.

    You have some issues you need to work through.
     
    RayRay10, jiggyfly and FranchiseBlade like this.
  16. bongman

    bongman Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,213
    Likes Received:
    1,413
    I wish i had $50 to spare to be more ethical :)
     
    RayRay10, Nook and Os Trigonum like this.
  17. JumpMan

    JumpMan Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Messages:
    8,555
    Likes Received:
    4,968
    You act as if I'm calling for the return of iron chastity belts here.

    You didn't say, oh man, that Kayleigh, she looks like one of those strong, independent women that would choose to have trains ran on them by me and my teammates. The choices the women made that you are now acting as though were correct were devaluing when they became things the press secretary would hypothetically choose to do.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  18. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    81,718
    Likes Received:
    122,137
    well, you could rent it for eleven bucks or get a used ppk for $26. I could start a gofundme for you ;):D
     
    RayRay10, Nook and bongman like this.
  19. JumpMan

    JumpMan Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Messages:
    8,555
    Likes Received:
    4,968
    Do you believe there is right and wrong in this world? Do you believe that there is good and evil in this world?
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  20. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    60,212
    Likes Received:
    134,038
    What you are doing is deciding what sexual acts a healthy consenting woman should and should not be involved in based on your outdated views of sex and women. That is pretty bad.



    I don't care who Kayleigh sleeps with or doesn't sleep with.... I do believe she would be horrified that someone would suggest such a thing.... which I find fitting.... then again her opinions really have little value as she hated the President and viewed him as a shameful bigot until he offered her a job.... so her word isn't worth much to me.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now