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[NYT] Trump Empire Built on Gifts & Tax Fraud

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Oct 2, 2018.

  1. dobro1229

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    Could someone be more vile? Of course he would steal money away from a sick child.
     
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    Bet the under
     
  3. Xerobull

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    I'll defer to Rob Zombie's eloquent poem about Trump:

     
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  4. dobro1229

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    Donald's daddy issues make so much more sense though in the context of Fred Jr.'s persona. Fred Jr. had his dad's name, was probably his favorite, and Donald wanted the admiration, and he wanted his daddy's money which was always going to be Fred Jr.'s first even though he had his own passions outside of being a slumlord. Then there is the character Mary Trump which I'm sure is the most interesting of the children even though she's often overlooked. I guarantee you Donald wasn't smart enough to pull off the Fred Sr. will scam.

    This is one F-ed up family man. Like a dumber version of the Lannisters and unfunny version of Succession. Truly vile humans with all kinds of issues.
     
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    Such a successful wealthy self made billionare who can't afford to give up some will money to a close relative's terminally sick child.

    There is a certain point where you have enough wealth were giving someone free healthcare services for expensive treatments isn't something that requires sacrifice and is something that is very easy to do.

    Someone allegedly worth a billion and is self made has an easy decision financing the medical services of a close relative. He can't even reach that level of basic generosity.

    But in reality he probably isn't a billionaire and isn't self made and really needs every ounce of his father's inheritance to sustain his lifestyle.
     
  6. dobro1229

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    I think the facts over time will show that it was actually Maryanne Trump his sister that devised the scheme to basically steal 400 million dollars out of their father's will by avoiding taxes, etc. Given Maryanne Trump's career as a judge I would assume at the time she was probably more connected in tax law. It would surely be quite the ironic sentiment if not only was he not a self made billionaire, but instead illegally inherited his money from his father, but that even that scam was not even of his doing, but was his sister who made that happen.

    So in the end he's going to be known as a grifter criminal who got some money through his sister who acquired the money illegally from their daddy who was a slumlord and in the KKK.... then he squandered the money, and had to borrow money from foreign governments who leveraged him to destroy the United States on their behalf.

    Great success story. True Rags to Riches American Dream right there.
     
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    ...hmm.

    ...interesting take on continuing the family tradition of grifting off the Trump name;)...
    ...(and I'm not at all suggesting that Mary Trump is in this for any money)...

    ...it almost suggests that someone, somewhere in that clan, has something that might be recognized as a conscience...

    ...will wonders never cease?:D
     
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  8. Invisible Fan

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    Does that make him an even bigger shitbag for infamously mocking that disabled reporter at a rally, or has that drill bit gone so low, there's no more gas to frack?
     
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    Fred Jr. wanted nothing to do w the family business. i believe that he was a pilot.

    but Fred Jr. was an alcoholic. he is the reason that Donald doesn't drink.alcohol
     
  10. J.R.

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    Here are some of the highlights from her manuscript:

    Cheating on a College Entrance Test

    As a high school student in Queens, Ms. Trump writes, Donald Trump paid someone to take a precollegiate test, the SAT, on his behalf. The high score the proxy earned for him, Ms. Trump adds, helped the young Mr. Trump to later gain admittance as an undergraduate to the University of Pennsylvania’s prestigious Wharton business school.

    Mr. Trump has often boasted about attending Wharton, which he has referred to as “the best school in the world” and “super genius stuff.”

    Sending a Brother to the Hospital Alone

    It has long been part of the Trump family’s lore that the eldest child of Fred Trump Sr., Fred Trump Jr., who was better known as Freddy, was the black sheep of the dynasty. Freddy Trump was a handsome, garrulous man and a heavy drinker who, after a miserable experience working for his father, left his job in real estate to pursue a passion for flying, becoming a pilot for Trans World Airlines.

    Donald Trump has often remarked that his brother’s departure from the family business opened space for him to move into and succeed. “For me, it worked very well,” Mr. Trump told The New York Times during his presidential campaign about serving under his father. “For Fred, it wasn’t something that was going to work.”

    Fred Trump Sr. could be brutal to his namesake, shouting at him once as a group of employees looked on, “Donald is worth ten of you,” Ms. Trump writes.

    Freddy Trump died in 1981 from an alcohol-induced heart attack when he was 42, and Ms. Trump tells the story in her book about how his family sent him to the hospital alone on the night of his death. No one went with him, Ms. Trump writes.

    Donald Trump, she added, went to see a movie.

    “No Principles,” a Sister Says

    Even at the start of Mr. Trump’s campaign, his sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, a retired federal appeals court judge, had deep reservations about his fitness for office, Ms. Trump writes.

    “He’s a clown — this will never happen,” she quotes her aunt as saying during one of their regular lunches in 2015, just after Mr. Trump announced that he was running for president.

    Maryanne Trump was particularly baffled by support for her brother among evangelical Christians, according to the book.

    “The only time Donald went to church was when the cameras were there,” Ms. Trump quotes her aunt as saying. “It’s mind boggling. But that’s all about his base. He has no principles. None!”

    Donald Trump, Narcissist

    Ms. Trump, a clinical psychologist, asserts that her uncle has all nine clinical criteria for being a narcissist. And yet, she notes, even that label does not capture the full array of the president’s psychological troubles.

    “The fact is,” she writes, “Donald’s pathologies are so complex and his behaviors so often inexplicable that coming up with an accurate and comprehensive diagnosis would require a full battery of psychological and neurophysical tests that he’ll never sit for.”

    At another point she says: “Donald has been institutionalized for most of his adult life, so there is no way to know how he would thrive, or even survive, on his own in the real world.”

    Like other critics of the president, Ms. Trump takes issue in the book with the notion that Mr. Trump is a strategic thinker who operates according to specific agendas or organizing principles.

    “He doesn’t,” she writes. “Donald’s ego has been and is a fragile and inadequate barrier between him and the real world, which, thanks to his father’s money and power, he never had to negotiate by himself.”
     
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    A tell-all book by President Trump’s niece describes a family riven by a series of traumas, exacerbated by a daunting patriarch who “destroyed” Donald Trump by short-circuiting his “ability to develop and experience the entire spectrum of human emotion,” according to a copy of the forthcoming memoir obtained by The Washington Post.

    President Trump’s view of the world was shaped by his desire during childhood to avoid his father’s disapproval, according to the niece, Mary L. Trump, whose book is by turns a family history and a psychological analysis of her uncle.

    Mary Trump’s father, Fred Jr. — the president’s older brother — died of an alcohol-related illness when she was 16 years old in 1981. President Trump told The Post last year that he and his father both pushed Fred Jr. to try to go into the family business, which Trump said he now regrets.

    Donald escaped his father’s scorn and ridicule, Mary Trump wrote, because “his personality served his father’s purpose. That’s what sociopaths do: they co-opt others and use them toward their own ends — ruthlessly and efficiently, with no tolerance for dissent or resistance.”

    The president, Mary Trump wrote, is a product of his domineering father and was acutely aware of avoiding the scorn that he heaped on his older brother, called Freddy, Trump writes.

    “By limiting Donald’s access to his own feelings and rendering many of them unacceptable, Fred perverted his son’s perception of the world and damaged his ability to live in it.”

    Mary Trump wrote that her grandfather’s children routinely lied to him but for different reasons. For her father, “lying was defensive — not simply a way to circumvent his father’s disapproval or to avoid punishment, as it was for the others, but a way to survive.”

    For her uncle Donald, however, “lying was primarily a mode of self-aggrandizement meant to convince other people he was better than he actually was,” Trump writes.

    Mary wrote that her father had a “natural sense of humor, sense of adventure, and sensitivity,” which he worked hard to hide from the family patriarch.

    “Softness was unthinkable in his namesake,” she writes.

    “Fred [Sr.] hated it when his oldest son screwed up or failed to intuit what was required of him, but he hated it even more when, after being taken to task, Freddy apologized. ‘Sorry, Dad,’ ” Mary wrote of the way her grandfather treated her father. Fred Sr. “would mock him. Fred wanted his oldest son to be a ‘killer.’ ”

    Donald, 7½ years younger than his brother, “had plenty of time to learn from watching Fred humiliate” his eldest son, Mary Trump wrote.

    “The lesson he learned, at its simplest, was that it was wrong to be like Freddy: Fred didn’t respect his oldest son, so neither would Donald.”

    Donald delighted in tormenting his younger brother, Robert, whom he perceived as weaker, Mary Trump writes. Donald repeatedly hid his brother’s favorite toys, a set of Tonka trucks he received for Christmas, and pretended he didn’t know where they had gone. When Robert threw a tantrum, “Donald threatened to dismantle the trucks in front of him if he didn’t stop crying.”

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    Mary Trump, a psychologist, in the book her uncle Donald wanted stopped: 'a case could be made for antisocial personality disorder...he may have a long undiagnosed learning disability that for decades has interfered with his ability to process information.'

    Mary Trump on her uncle, the US president: 'his ability to control unfavourable situations by lying, spinning, and obfuscating has diminished to the point of impotence in the midst of the tragedies we are currently facing.'

    Mary Trump on the 2016 US presidential election: 'it felt as though 62,979,636 voters had chosen to turn this country into a macro version of my malignantly dysfunctional family...if he is afforded a 2nd term, it would be the end of American democracy.'

    Mary Trump in her book, 'Too much and never enough': 'Donald's penchant for division, and devastating uncertainty about our country's future have created a perfect storm of catastrophes that no one is less equipped than my uncle to manage.'

    Mary Trump, perceptive (it seems to me) on her uncle Donald here: ' a large minority of people still confuse his arrogance for strength, his false bravado for accomplishment, and his superficial interest in them for charisma.'

    Mary Trump: 'encouraged by his father, Doanld eventually started to believe his own hype. By the time he was 12...Freddy {his brother} had dubbed him 'the Great- I- Am', echoing a passage from Exodus he'd learned in Sunday school in which God first reveals himself to Moses.'

    Mary Trump's book: 'Donald is not simply weak, his ego is a fragile thing that must be bolstered every moment because he knows deep down that he is nothing of what he claims to be. He knows he has never been loved.'

    Mary Trump on her uncle: 'he isn't doing the job - unless watching TV & tweeting insults count. It's the effort to keep the rest of us distracted from the fact that he knows nothing - about politics, civics, or simple human decency - that requires an enormous amount of work.'

    Mary Trump on Donald: 'the role that fear played in his childhood and the role it plays now can't be overstated...at a very deep level, his bragging and false bravado are not directed at the audience in front of him but at his audience of one: his long-dead father.'

    Mary Trump on her Uncle Donald's handling of COVID: 'he'll withhold ventilators or steal supplies from states that have not groveled sufficiently....what Donald thinks is justified retaliation is, in this context, mass murder.'

    Mary Trump's final chapter: 'Donald requires division. It is the only way he knows how to survive - my grandfather ensured that decades ago when he turned his children against each other.... But he can never escape the fact that he is and always will be a terrified little boy.'
     
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    I'm wondering how much a niece would know about an uncle--any uncle. When I think of my nieces and nephews, I can't imagine that they have much knowledge about me. When I think of my uncles and aunts, I am embarrassed by how little I know of them.

    Is this author some sort of Super Niece? am I missing something? serious question.
     
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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/mary-...reasts-and-his-own-sister-called-him-a-clown/

    In one particularly disturbing scene from a trip to Mar-a-Lago, Mary recounts how when she was 29 and wearing a bathing suit and a pair of shorts to lunch at the resort, her uncle looked up at her and remarked, “Holy ****, Mary. You’re stacked.”

    “Donald!” Marla Maples said to her then-husband, slapping him on the arm.

    “I was twenty-nine and not easily embarrassed, but my face reddened, and I suddenly felt self-conscious,” Mary recounts. “I pulled my towel around my shoulders. It occurred to me that nobody in my family, outside of my parents and brother, had ever seen me in a bathing suit.”

    The book also publishes intimate and damning thoughts from retired federal court judge Maryanne Trump Barry about her brother.

    “He’s a clown,” Maryanne allegedly confided in her niece. “This will never happen again.”

    Mary says she asked her aunt, “Does anybody even believe the bullshit that he’s a self-made man? What has he even accomplished on his own?”

    “Well,” Maryanne responded, “he has had five bankruptcies.”

    Maryanne also reportedly lashed out at Donald for using the death of her other brother, Fred Jr., for political gain when addressing the opioid crisis. “He’s using your father’s memory for political purposes,” Mary says Maryanne told her, “and that’s a sin, especially since Freddy should have been the star of the family.”

    When white evangelicals such as Jerry Falwell Jr. started endorsing Donald for president, Maryanne, a devout Catholic, allegedly remarked, “What the **** is wrong with them?”

    “The only time Donald went to church was when the cameras were there. It’s mind boggling. He has no principles. None!”

    She calls her uncle his father’s “monster—the only child of his who mattered to him—[who] would ultimately be rendered unlovable by the very nature of Fred’s preference for him. In the end, there would be no love for Donald at all, just his agonizing thirsting for it.

    “After the election, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong-Un, and Mitch McConnell, all of whom bear more than a passing psychological resemblance to Fred, recognized in a way others should have but did not that Donald’s checkered personal history and his unique personality flaws make him extremely vulnerable to manipulation by smarter, more powerful men,” Mary writes. “His pathologies have rendered him so simple-minded that it takes nothing more than repeating to him the things he says to and about himself dozens of times a day—he’s the smartest, the greatest, the best—to get him to do whatever they want.”
     
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    Are you missing something? That maybe a different family has a different relationship? Do you belong to a family of patriarchal inherited wealth?
     
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    If they felt you did them wrong, She would make it her objective to know and reveal all. It's like you guys don't know the Trumps. Pettiness and revenge is in the JEANS.
    (Insert Kramer Jean gif)
     
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    I cannot believe the real life Bluth family ascended to the Presidency. This won’t sway Trumps core because they will just dismiss as Fake News. Even though it’s a memoir and not news.
     
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    Trump is self made the same as Kylie Jenner. It’s amazing to me that his base as poor and as uneducated as they are actually believe he cares for their interests.
     
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    FAKE NEWS! Not because Trump getting someone to take his exam is something he wouldn't do. He would do that every day. But to think he actually paid? Poor kid trying to get some extra money for college probably received a check that bounced.
     
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