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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. JumpMan

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    FTP!

    (F that paraplegic)
     
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  2. Nook

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    No one seriously wants that to happen. We can do things like have uniformed requirements for masks in public places, have uniformed limits on the size of social gatherings and limit high risk behaviors. That requires strong executive leadership though.
     
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    Cali has remained strict among these things including mandatory masks for a long time, and yet they're still experiencing record highs in cases

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    Big outdoor events were prohibiting with basically everything else and much of those decisions are not actually based on good science anyway. For example, Texas banning tubing but not church services is purely political. Science changes with the data. As we've gotten more info, science has suggested outdoors is a huge buffer to spread. And all the superspread events we've seen have been indoors.

    Ultimately, we have experts in the field tracking these superspread events and, so far, protests haven't been found as central factors. You can choose to believe it or not. As I said, I suspect you have a lot of less severe cases there due to lower viral load, so those people likely aren't getting tests. But in places like Austin, they begged protestors to come in for free testing because of the concern - but they still haven't found that as a key source.
     
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  5. YOLO

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    there's always a "expert" that shows one thing or another. an article saying one thing is true while another says it isn't. that's always been the case. confirmation bias has always been around. it's funny how things get brushed under the rug as long as it doesn't follow certain narratives
     
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    Quarantines and shutdowns are having to come back because the GOP decided to go all out in their pretending everything was fine and their opposition to basic common sense safety measures like masks. This is directly the result of the belief systems of people like you.
     
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    If you want ignore science, that's up to you. I'm not going to waste time convincing you otherwise. Obviously your random unsubstantiated personal opinions are much more scientifically valid.
     
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    I do not live in California, but my cousins do. According to them the police have not really been enforcing masks and that is consistent with what I have read with articles. Also California has eased restrictions on restaurants, etc. The increase is cases are tied to those restrictions.

    Also what is overlooked is the density of people matter as well.
     
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  9. Nook

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    This.

    The order that Abbott gave today is a joke.
     
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  10. YOLO

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    that's bc it isn't really science. that's just something you think it is. science isn't behind gathering 70k people together while at the same time not allowing a outdoor restaurant at full capacity. people use the phrase of science base entirely way too much. Turner telling people every single day to social distance while at the same time sitting out in the front lines of mass protests for 2 weeks isn't science. I guess science told the news not cover covid for that time frame as well
     
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    and i have plenty of family in california and I'm told they take it pretty seriously over there. They saw us in houston and were amazed how different we've been taking it. they didn't ease their restrictions until recently and they were still at low limits. they've been on a much more strict lockdown down throughout this. and yet we see they reaching record levels as well
     
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    We are seeing exponential growth again?
     
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    Gathering 70K people together? The CDC and Fauci both said that it would lead to an increase in COVID cases. I don't think that is really debatable.
    However stopping protests and riots is not something that is easy to do.

    That also does not mean that restaurants should be open for full or even half capacity or that indoor churches should be open or large gatherings of people, especially inside.

    If you want to point to holes in the enforcement of the rules, so be it..... but it does not invalidate the purpose or even the entire success of the rules.

    Having millions of Americans in closed areas inside for church every Sunday is a recipe for disaster when it comes to COVID.... same with opening up gyms or restaurants.
     
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    that's pretty much the gist of what i've been saying. tons of inconsistencies and misinformation. there's not even a need to mention how much Fauci has wish washed through this entire ordeal
     
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    Yes they are seeing record numbers since they have relaxed their restrictions. They also have high density of people and apartments that cause the spread. I do not doubt at all that California takes it more serious than Texas when it comes to masks. For example people in Chicago have in general taken the mask requirement seriously and there was no political pandering by the governor to prevent measures for people to wear masks.

    Still the experts in California have stated that the enforcement of wearing masks in California has been lax.

    There is a reason that places in the North East and Chicago have started to get their COVID issues under control and that is because they were not rushing in to be the first to open.... they also required masks and took enforcement more serious.
     
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    Fauci is way down on the list of people I blame for this.

    The President of the USA is by far the most at fault.... he provided zero leadership on this issue...... he would say one thing at his press conference and then tweet the opposite at a later date. He dismissed the task for before the pandemic hit.
     
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    at the end of the day, enforcement of wearing masks is going to be "lax" everywhere no matter what. but it's been mandatory in Cali for a long time
     
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    you won't find anyone that handled this well. There's plenty of things Fauci has done the same with
     
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    Science points to protesting NOT being a good idea, but maybe not AS BAD of an idea as you might think.

    Lulz comparing people fighting for equality and human rights to people eating hot dogs at Chili's though.
     
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    It hasn't been lax in Chicago where I am.

    However I have heard that the CPD was very upset because enforcement in the inner city is hard when people are shooting at you.

    There were inner city block parties until the mayor of Chicago personally went out to the worst part of the city enforcing the code in person.
     
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