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2020 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    The Deep State would try to rebel only for McConnell and their sleeper Judges to block it by exploiting our poorly written laws.

    The Rule of Law...you **** with it. It ****s with you.
     
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  2. Space Ghost

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    Let me caveat and say I am only speaking for Bitcoin. Most of the other cryptocurrencies networks have been compromised in some form or fashion.

    Creating and transferring Bitcoins are features of the 'network'. It would be like saying the printing press and the transfer of cash to the banks have never been compromised (im not making this claim). Yes, actual Bitcoins have been compromised, but only at the user level (people holding it on their personal devices, or as the example you cited, 3rd party custodians/exchanges). I will admit this is a problem that hasnt been worked out. But thats why its not wise to get involved in this tech if you dont know what you're doing. Bitcoin works because its decentralized, meaning no one person or group can dictate anything. Everyone must work together with the system.

    While the Bitcoin security itself of course wont work because of decentralization, the general concept will. If every precinct maintained the voting records of every voter in the country and these databases constantly talked to each other and agreed on the records, it can't be hacked. And if some super fantasy hacker could hack every database, the end user could still verify their results. Every vote would be tied to a SSN. At the end of the electronic voting process, everyone would receive a formal notification on how they voted (to ensure the person knows their vote was casted correctly) and could be verified by online lookup. Any vote in the electronic system that is contested would be separated from the electronic voting and recasted manually. Since every precinct has their own motivations, its in their best interest to call out any shenanigans from others.

    And if someone doesnt trust the electronic system, they can do it manually.
     
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    My thought process was if a six-year term was retroactive to 2016, the 2020 election would simply be postponed until 2022. However, if Trump only gets two more years provided he wins the 2020 election, sure, sign me up.
     
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    I wish I had a really good answer, but I don’t. All I can suggest is reading or watching a variety of sources and drawing your own conclusions based on all the facts. Also, fact check anything that you read or the news anchor says. I would say some of my favorite sources are Associated Press stories, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post and the Atlantic. You have to be careful when using something from Twitter as a source. Make sure the individual sharing the tweets is a reputable journalist, and, then, fact check those tweets by looking for verification through additional sources.
     
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    @NewRoxFan
     
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  6. SamFisher

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    Nobody is catching this in this thread but Isaac Chotimer has been making sarcastic Trump posts all week about him "growing into the job" and the like, mocking centrist media both sides garbage we were fed early in his regime.
     
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  7. Amiga

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    I agree with voter confirmation (for other reasons). You made the very point that I was thinking of why it doesn't work for eliminating voter suppression - there is much more political value to make accusations (or outright lie).

    In an era of non-fact, non-truth, how much perceived value do we gain with eliminating voter fraud for good (or really under serious unshockable technology) ? Close to zero. How much fraud do we have with mail-in ballot today? Pretty much none yet it's accused of being full of abuse or potential for abuse (ref POTUS and DoJ head).

    How can we get to solving voter suppression? In the short term - expand access and provide mail-in ballot to all that want it.

    In the long term, online secure voting platform. That, frankly, will take a super majority DEM congress and President. The GOP isn't interested.
     
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  8. Space Ghost

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    If America had its own unique soul and personality, I would say it has all 4 types of IPV.

    Sexual abuse: While this is just figuratively, America has let rich people desecrate its soul from the very beginning. People are becoming 'woke' with this, such as the occupy wallstreet movement. But it was rich people who owned slaves. The whites are held responsible for allowing them to do this for centuries while being oblivious and even taking advantage. Now these millennial white kids are starting to realize they do not have all those advantages their previous ancestors had and seeing the full impact on what its like to be a couple steps behind. What white privilege is about.

    Stalking: This one is easy. Youre always being watched. Dont do anything wrong. We will put you in a deep dark hole if you do something too bad. Dont try it. We are watching.

    Physical abuse: just look at the cops. Too many people are terrified of the cops. We dont care about our sick and weak. And if you commit a crime against the government, you're pretty much toast to society. Dont become a felon or you will forever be an outcast.

    Psychological aggression: Lies. Misinformation. Half Truths. Since Nixon, our choice of leaders have gradually become less impressive. Say what you may about Reagan, Bush, Clinton or Obama. The choice was either the guy who said he was going to break the system (drain the swamp) or some entitled cranky old hag who just publicly insulted a large swath of Americans by calling them deplorables. Now we have the guy who we all knows is clueless about the swamp vs the guy slipping into dementia. Trump vs Russian Roulette. How did we sink this low.
     
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    Did Trump pull through on anything significant that he promised on the campaign trail?

    Was the Muslim ban 3.0 considered a success?

    Hillary didn't go to jail, the wall wasn't built, Mexico didn't pay anything, we didn't deport all the illegals, he didn't repeal Obamacare, he didn't bring back coal, he didn't bring jobs back to the midwest.

    I mean, at least he upheld Christian values.

    I believe this country is still thoroughly ****ed without Trump in office, but I'm hopeful 2021 will be a nice year, hopefully, COVID and Trump's presidency will end.
     
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    I suspect he will also keep doing campaign rallies after he loses...

     
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    It would be funny if he ends up having to depart to Russia to escape trial and then ends up going around Russia doing rallies. Would FoxNews still cover them?
     
  13. bobrek

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    There are a number in his base that will counter all that with "he appointed two supreme court justices and there will most likely be at least one opening during the next 4 years"
     
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  14. No Worries

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    Would the ex Criminal in Chief call into Fox and Friends and cry about his unfair persecution? I think, yes, without a doubt.
     
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    The only question is if they'll still take his calls if he loses, and has no power. My guess is yes initially, but it'll be pure entertainment value, and if he doesn't keep that mojo with their white nationalist base, they'll act like they never propped him up in the first place.

    Trump is a performance artist first, and foremost, and he's sunk so deep into the character he created that he's lost control, and as an actor, when you are not really in control anymore of your character, you're performance tends to suck. See Jared Leto's character of the Joker (in too deep) vs Heath Ledgers Joker (complete control).

    Lately Trump has been more Jared Leto's Joker than Health Ledger's Joker, and he doesn't seem to be showing any indication that he'll have a bounce back. His schtick is old, and tired, and I predict that if he loses he will become old news so fast we'll look back in shock that he ever dominated so much of the news and entertainment cycle on a daily basis. If he wins again, the meltdown and rise of his complete control and destruction of America will unfortunately be a horror movie we cannot even fathom.
     
  16. Amiga

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    It’s June (early) and it’s fake news.




    FWIW, I believe Clinton was up 2pt nationally at this time in 2016. She ended up 2pt nationally on Election Day. So, yea, 10pts is a freaking thing.
     
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    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/joe-biden-running-great-campaign-2020-trump.html

    What If I Told You Joe Biden Is Actually Running a Great Campaign?

    It would obviously be a fallacy to attribute Biden’s current lead entirely, or even mostly, to his campaign strategy. The polls primarily reflect a massive public repudiation of Donald Trump’s presidency. But Biden is also doing some things right.

    For all the derision that has surrounded Biden’s generally low profile, it is the broadly correct move. Trump is and always has been deeply unpopular. He managed to overcome this handicap in 2016 because Hillary Clinton was also deeply unpopular, though somewhat less so, and turning the election into a choice allowed anti-Clinton sentiment to overpower anti-Trump sentiment. The fact that Biden has attracted less attention than Trump is not (as many Democrats have fretted) a failure. It is a strategic choice, and a broadly correct one.

    Second, Biden’s isn’t just hiding out. He is doing some things. He has delivered speeches, given interviews, and met with protesters. These forums have tended to display his more attractive qualities, especially his empathy. Only one of them (his Breakfast Club interview) yielded a major gaffe.

    And third, Biden has managed to communicate a coherent campaign theme. This is often a challenge for Democrats, who usually want to change a whole bunch of policies (health care! environment! progressive taxation!) that resist a simple unifying slogan. But Biden has been able to carry forward the message he used to start his campaign, which he built around Trump’s shocking embrace of racist supporters at Charlottesville, into a promise of healing racist divisions.

    More at the link
     
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    I think he's going to either invest in or outright buy OANN after the election. He's going to have his own network one way or another. He has to stay in the spotlight and not as a call-in guest on a show.
     
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  19. No Worries

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    OANN would be out of business in a year if Trump bought and ran it. Here’s hoping that he does.
     
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  20. Amiga

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    Build a wall - nope

    Ban Muslim - yes, some effect

    Bring jobs back to the US - dismal failure

    Tariff on China and Mexico - yes, but part of the dismal failure of bringing job to the US and destroying jobs in the US

    Kill NAFTA and change it - BS mkt, the new name is basically the same nafta

    Kill TPP - well, it was already dead

    Repeal Obamacare - some effect, but full repeal didn't happen

    New Iran deal - dismal failure

    Don't touch SS and improve it - nope; and they did want to reduce funding into it (got blocked)

    Cut taxes - big YES for the richy and him

    Take out ISIS - more like run away from isis

    His biggest and lasting accomplishment is 2 SCJ and hundreds of lifetime fed judges.

    But he will be known for destroying American's values, health and economy. Quite an accomplishment in 2 short years.
     
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