I wish I could find the clip. It was live last night on MSNBC, about 10 minutes after the rally was over.
Doesn't sound like you read it or understood what Ellison was saying. This argument that BLM is Marxist sounds very spurious. How many of these right-wing conspiracy theories are you going to fall for? I think you should go back into retirement man.
feel free to tell that to the person I quoted and was having a discussion with as he made that posit.
People (mostly OP) needs to understand there is a difference between "far-left" and authoritarianism, not that it can't be intermingled, same for the right as well of course. There are both authoritarian and libertarian communists and Marxists, and with that brings radically different views on things like wars, violence, personal freedom, human rights. Marxism and Communism have developed into many different theories. It's as fair to say Marxist and communists are evil and want to massacre people as it is to say the same for Christianity. Ultimately if you're worried about oppression, massacres, war, human rights, and freedom, I think history points for the need to focus on how authoritarian people are, not how far left they are. Personally I'm happy to have these left-wing economic and social theories, they have given many good things to society, just like many different right-wing systems have done the same, good (and bad) ideas, viewpoints, systems are good and come from different political spectrums (some more than others).
Italians and Irish both got out of poverty in less than 100 years. Look at places like NY or Chicago. In the case of Chicago, they were out of poverty in 70-80 years. African Americans have been in poverty in the USA for 400 years. No other group in the USA has been in relative poverty close to that long. So it is either that society and the system is repressive towards black people in the USA or black people are inherently more predisposed to poverty. Until 30 years ago the general response amongst white conservatives was that blacks were inherently inferior. The response now is “Liberals think so lowly of blacks that they need help”... which is really an excuse to keep the status quo. Blacks can live “over there” and stay out of the upper middle class suburbs and wealthy enclaves unless they are famous entertainers. We are seeing it in front of our own eyes with angry white people that profit off the current system get angry at a BLM sign in their neighborhood.
Better yet, how many tens of millions has capitalism killed? How many lakes, rivers, and ecosystems has capitalism destroyed? How long until capitalism destroys the actual planet? Yay capitalism! I wish I had a short video to explain the REAL truth.
So do you associate with known christians in your life? I happen to know you frequent a bbs with christian members, so I must assume you a just as freely see no problem in nazi circles.
No, I agree, I don't think I could hang around those in Nazi circles. I can happily be around most Christians and Marxist.
They're something else. Speaking specifically about the organization, not the movement. Most here discuss the movement. When people in general speak of BLM, they also typically speak on it in terms of the movement. Their About page states this: We are expansive. We are a collective of liberators who believe in an inclusive and spacious movement. We also believe that in order to win and bring as many people with us along the way, we must move beyond the narrow nationalism that is all too prevalent in Black communities. We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front. That doesn't seem like they are focused on just Black lives which is what most discussions about BLM are solely focused on. Which is their prerogative, but it just doesn't jibe with their name and reveals some hypocrisy to their pushback on people saying all lives matter, no? It goes on to say this: We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements. One huge omission in that group is Black MEN. They are the most "targeted" group in America BY FAR and not even a mention. They even mention undocumented folks, but not Black men? They do say that the organization started after the acquittal of Trayvon Martin's killer, but that only reveals their MO. Which is use the death and/or murder of Black men to promote the organization and bring about some chaos and confusion. It's no wonder the organization is led by confused women. Are they then Marxist because they only seem to resurface after the death of Black men at the hands of white men to bring about some chaos and confusion? Are they Marxists because they bring about that chaos and confusion all the while setting aside some important goals of theirs? I am just as confused about Marxism as this thread is so I can't say one way or the other, but the organization definitely seems to be opportunistic and sneaky.
I read it in high school. Plenty of Brother Jacks in that group. Plenty here as well. And I'm sure you do think that cause you are a whiny baby who can't handle a diverging viewpoint. How about you go read and actually understand the message of the book. Also go listen to the BLM founder talk about how they are trained marxists... you didn't listen to the person who self labeled. Bro common, get over it. They said it! You don't need to defend them or deflect for them. They are open about it. It's not a secret.
Glad you have such modern arguments. Nothing changed since this picture was taken at all. Nope. Not at all.
Ellison rejected communism in the book by the way. Most people understand that. BLM are talking about worker rights, not communism. You are just using spin and deflection, the same way you claim Nazi's are actually socialists in order to attack the left. You come back out of retirement to spam this forum once again with your white nationalist views. Sad.
YES. He did reject communism! That's the point! That is why I am using his book as an example! He totally mocks these types of groups. You never read it. I can tell.
No, you are trying to attach a label to BLM that's not reality. BLM isn't fighting for socialism, they are fighting for social justice. There's a difference. Ellison supported social justice, that's what he was about. You are the one who doesn't get that. Your White Nationalism 101 course didn't teach you critical thinking surprisingly. Let's be clear on what you are trying to do here. You're trying to discredit BLM by associating it with Communism and implying it's an evil organization, thereby turning people against it. This is a white nationalist move because let's be honest, you believe in white power. You're a fraud and I and many on here know that your heart is a dark place. Honestly, go back to retirement and back to you 8chan where you can be free to revel in your hate.
Go read more and get your head out of your ass. Ellison would see BLM for what it is. He was extremely jaded and disillusioned about black movements that use them as puppets. Thus the puppets in his book, but you didn't get that far I bet. I bet you didn't even pick it up once. It's funny how you think that a movement preaching social justice and admitting to be marxists isn't a marxist shield. That is the classic playbook and it's about dividing and destabilizing. BLM is useless and ignores all of the actual progress made in the past that helped the black community. So let's set the record straight... you clearly didn't read the book. And you clearly didn't watch the BLM founder admitting they are TRAINED MARXISTS.
Ellison was disillusioned with communism 80 years ago. Now you use it to apply to any black movement whatsoever. Ellison was before the civil rights movement. You have no clue what you are talking about. You're cherry picking what you need to support your white nationalist agenda. Here's your logic BLM = Marxists = socialists = Nazis, therefore people who protest against police brutality are Nazis. Classic Dachuda garbage Stop spewing your propaganda here.
