Black men commiting suicide by hanging themselves from a tree

Given the public concern, you could probably crowd-fund a private investigator.

 

We need the FBI
To find aliens

 

Here's a random academic article on suicide by hanging, based on data from Konya, Turkey. I don't want to pay to read it, but here's the abstract:

Hanging is the most common method of suicide in the world, and many public places offer a means or opportunity to carry out the activity. Of 4,452 death examinations and autopsies, there were 378 (8.5%) suicides and suicide method was hanging in 185 (48.9%) cases. In 20 of these (10.8%), the suspension point was the branch of a tree. The incident location was the garden of the victim's house in nine cases, the woodlands in seven cases. The suicides were attributed to psychiatric disorders in nine cases, economic problems in six cases, and family problems in five cases. It is concluded that hanging on a tree as a suicide method is often committed by males and the underlying motive may be different in suicidal hangings on trees occurring at daytime and night. For preventional purposes, the reporting of such suicides in public places by the media may be restricted by local authorities.
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Abstract says hanging is the most common suicide method in the world, but I know from elsewhere that the majority of suicides in the US is with a gun, and hanging is only 20-25%. I thought it was interesting though that they found 11% of their hanging suicides use trees. If we have 50k suicides a year, then we can expect about 12k hanging suicides. And, if Americans are like Turks (maybe too simplistic an assumption), about 1,200 hanging suicides on a tree, or 100 a month. If I were to strain this reference just a little further, only 20% of the Turkey suicides were in public (that is, not in their own garden or out in the woods), so maybe we can expect in the neighborhood of 20 Americans a month to hang themselves in public places. With African Americans 13% of the population, maybe you get 1-2 black suicides by hanging on a tree in a public place per month. Very speculatively.

Another paper is here: https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/34/2/433/747066.

It mentions (in England) only 50% of hanging suicides are fully suspended. I know there's some public objection in one case that the tree used wasn't big enough for the victim. But, you don't need to be fully suspended to kill yourself. This paper also finds 3/4 of hanging suicides are in private, 10% in institutions, and the remainder (~15%) in public places. That's close to the Turkish study.

No idea if this is close to our actual experience. A little frustrating that I didn't find a good paper on the US. But, interesting in a way because these other countries don't have the same lynching associations we have. Big picture, I think it's probably very rare to get black suicides that look like lynchings, but there will be a handful of cases each year.

I hope everyone appreciates the effort. After googling various suicide terms on my work computer, I may well get a call from HR in the near future.

 

defund the aliens!

 

Duly noted, right, @HR Dept ?

As homelessness increases, and apparently that is happening even now in the COVID recession, you could reasonably assume two things: more very depressed people, and more people without the option of hanging themselves privately.

I find municipal sites disturbing and fishy though.

 

So you want another unfinishable Wall huh?

Space Wall 2024(00)

 

How many black people are hanging themselves from trees in public areas in America? That’s why that info presented doesn’t do much for me. Not just 1, but 4 in the past 2 weeks.

 

It's all just very strange.Very very strange that no one is seeing anything happen to them .

 

An autopsy with a full tox screen will go a long ways towards determining if these were suicides. If there is no sign of struggle and no signs they were drugged, suicide is the only explanation that makes sense.

 

Sorry, I gave you what information I could find. Start googling and you can maybe find a US study. I'd like to know too.

I mean I agree. And there could be some forensic analysis of the crime scene that could be informative as well. But determining if they were suicides and convincing the public they were suicides are very different things. It seems like the community had little confidence in their PD to really pursue the question and to really tell the truth about it to the people. Nor can I blame them for being skeptical. The PD may end up highly confident they were suicides after a very thorough investigation, but they also have to convince people that they really did take it seriously and really did do a thorough investigation.

 

I agree it will be hard to sell and is likely the reason for the change in saying it will require a special investigation. They want the public to have all possible confidence in the results of the investigation. I certainly hope these were suicides. As bad as a suicide is it is infinitely better than having a killer(s) on the loose doing terrible things like this.

 

It is time to arm the black community, buy them guns - they need their own protection.

DD

 

Strange response for someone who started the thread linked below about gun control. It is almost like the light came on for you about why the 2nd Amendment is so important but I know that is not the case.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/we-need-gun-control.301074/

 

Apparently the Malcom Harsch hanging was confirmed to be a suicide by a video from a nearby property.

 

Reporters are on lookout for these stories because they will generate significant online traffic right now, there have probably been several more in the past months or years that you just never heard of. I honestly wonder how many people speculating on this are black, have themselves experienced or had relatives deal with depression, or have lost relatives due to untimely and avoidable circumstances with a separate behavioral component.

 

You're a weirdo.

 

I don't see anything wrong with what he said as long as he meant legally buying and owning guns and using them exclusively for castle/self defense under the construct of the law

 

he didn't say ban all guns