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If You Take An Officer's Taser In Fight With The Officer That You Started, You Deserve Getting Shot

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Jun 14, 2020.

  1. jiggyfly

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    Wait what?

    Not according to the APD.
     
  2. J.R.

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    APD reportedly walking off the job tonight
     
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  3. B@ffled

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    check Georgia Law.

    Atlanta's police force are walking out in mass tonight. Isn't there supposed to be an investigation before charges levied? Seems like the prosecutor gave in to mob rule and the people of Atlanta are left without sufficient protection. Is that a result that is acceptable? I know I'm stating the obvious but I think we're going to see a revolt from law enforcement and I hate to think of what that is going to look like. Think about how much we depend on the the police and think what would happen if they collectively went on strike or quit.
     
  4. jiggyfly

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    -Question is asked, why were we able to charge this case now? I want to explain we have already had an opportunity to speak to 3 witnesses in this case. We've had an opportunity to conduct interviews with 7 other witnesses. We've also had an opportunity to view 8 video tapes, 2 Atlanta body cam tapes, 2 Atlanta PD dash cam tapes, Wendy's surveillance tape, 3 citizen's cell phone videos. With many of the videos, we had the opportunity to enhance the videos so we could get a better look.

    -Opportunity to view physical evidence; Chevy Trail Blazer was a vehicle in the line at Wendy's on the night of this incident. It received a shot from Officer Rolfe's gun. Opportunity, now with the GBI, to view that Trail Blazer. Opportunity to inspect the crime scene; conducted canvas of the area; started investigation at 1:15am Saturday morning; been working on this case around the clock since that time.

    -Spent some time examining the taser evidence in this case; examined & possessed the 2 tasers used; opportunity to examine the taser logs that are prepared as the tasers are used; consulted with a taser expert from the company that manufactures the tasers.

    -Received preliminary autopsy; preliminary ballistics reports; in reaching our conclusions today, worked with both GBI & Atlanta PD. 4th time we've asked that arrest warrants are issued in a case before an indictment; 40th prosecution of police officers for misconduct in our county; 9th time prosecuted a homicide case committed by a police officer; 8 of those involved black males, 1 black female

    -In reaching our decision, some considerations we considered important. One thing we noted from our evaluation was that Mr. Brooks on the night of this incident was calm, cordial and really displayed a cooperative nature; while Mr. Brooks was slightly impaired, his demeanor during this incident was almost jovial. Also we noted he received many instructions from the officers and was asked many questions, some repeatedly, but for 41 minutes and 17 seconds, he followed their instruction, answered the questions; 4th thing we noted is that Mr. Brooks was never informed that he was under arrest for DUI. This is a requirement of the APD when one is charged with DUI; the APD's own procedures require that person is informed immediately that they are under arrest; then he was grabbed from the rear by Officer Rolfe who made an attempt to physically restrain him after the 41:17 discussion. We concluded and considered it as one of our important considerations that Mr. Brooks never presented himself as a threat. At the beginning, he was peacefully sleeping in his car. After he was awakened by the officer, he was cooperative and was directed to move his car to another location; he calmly moved his car; Mr. Brooks was asked whether he had a weapon; he indicated he did not; without any resistance, he passed his DL to the officers and the officers asked Mr. Brooks whether he would consent to a pat down or body search; Mr. Brooks allowed them to search him and the search yielded no weapon; we found it was of interest when the officers patted Mr. Brooks down, they noticed there was a bulge in his pants; they did not pull that item out of his pocket; they took Mr. Brooks word that bulge represented a number of dollar bills; Mr. Brooks never displayed any aggressive behavior during the 41:17

    -This is another consideration we discovered as we evaluated this case; once Mr. Brooks was shot, there is an Atlanta policy that requires officers to provide timely medical attention to Mr. Brooks or anyone injured. After Mr. Brooks was shot, for some period of 2 minutes and 12 seconds, there was no medical attention applied to Mr. Brooks; when we examined the video tape & in our discussions with witnesses, what we discovered is during the 2:12, Officer Rolfe kicked Mr. Brooks while he laid on the ground, fighting for his life; secondly, we were able to see Officer Brosnan stood on Mr. Brooks shoulder while he was struggling for his life; we were able to conclude based on the way these officers conducted themselves while Mr. Brooks was lying there, the demeanor of the officers immediately after the shooting did not reflect any fear or danger of Mr. Brooks but their actions really reflected other kinds of emotions

    -As we're drawing our legal conclusion, we were led by the 2 foundational cases in this matter, one being Tennessee vs. Garner, what that case points out is when an officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses an immediate threat of death or of serious, physical injury to that officer. The next foundational case we used is Graham vs. Connor, which says that this test is based upon that of a reasonable officer on the scene & not the individual officer but a reasonable officer on the scene; we've concluded at the time Mr. Brooks was shot, he did not pose an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or officers.

    -(Photo) What this photograph illustrates is the point that Officer Rolfe at this point was firing a taser and this is Mr. Brooks, who was firing a taser as well. I don't know if you can see it clearly but the prongs from the taser were actually fired above Officer Rolfe's head. I'd like for you to also look at the position of Officer Rolfe and Mr. Brooks that they are here next to this red automobile.

    -If we look at the next photograph, we'll see the positions of both parties, they've changed. Mr. Brooks has now moved away from his original position and we estimate the distance is about 12 feet and Officer Rolfe has moved about 10 feet from the position in what is our exhibit number one. The second video or second still shot shows the very instance the shot was fired into the back of Mr. Brooks; we've also calculated the distance and the distance that they are apart at that time was 18 feet 3 inches at the time this shot was fired; based upon that information, we've concluded Mr. Brooks was running away that the time the shot was fired; Mr. Brooks was shot twice in the back. One was a center shot to the back that penetrated his heart; done by a 9mm glock

    -One of the things we relied upon in our conclusion is something that is called under the law 'excited utterance'; that's when someone makes an immediate statement; because it's made without the ability to consult with counsel or think about it, under the law, it's considered highly reliable; at the time the shot was fired, the utterance made by Officer Rolfe was "I got him.".
     
  5. B@ffled

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    I heard/saw the presser. The DA is being ripped. And the results of his actions speak for itself. You're on the wrong side of this one. If the races were flipped, the DA would be called a racist.
     
  6. AleksandarN

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    I think the fact the officer kicking him could show intent and mind set of the cop. That is going to hurt his case a lot.
     
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    As I said in my original post on this subject in another thread the officer could have made a different choice. I am sure he which he did now but they are charging him with murder. There is no way what happened there should EVER be considered murder. There seems to be pressure to escalate this way worse than it actually is to the point of calling it murder due to the Floyd case which absolutely was murder. Each case should be handled on there own merits and the Atlanta officer should not be railroaded just because another cop was a killer in another state over 1,000 miles away.
     
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  9. AleksandarN

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    Why did the cop shoot? What was his intent and mind set? Why did he not give medical aid after the shooting? Why he feel the need to kick him after he shot him?
     
  10. J.R.

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    Donald:

    (George Floyd/Rayshard Brooks) George Floyd case, nothing has to be said. I watched that, I couldn't really watch it over a long period of time. It was over 8 minutes. Who could watch that? It doesn't get any more obvious or doesn't get any worse than that. That man has some big problems, the police officer. I haven't met any LEO, no one was sticking up for what he did. What took place yesterday, I thought it was a terrible situation but you can't resist a police officer. If you have a disagreement, you have to take it up after the fact. It was very sad, very, very sad thing. It was out of the control. The whole situation was out of control. I heard today and just got a report that the police officer's lawyer heard a sound like a gun, like a gun shot and saw a flash in front of him. I don't know that I would necessarily believe that but that's a very interesting thing. They'll have to find out. It's up to justice right now. It's gonna be up to justice. I hope he gets a fair shake. Police have not been treated fairly in our country. Have not been treated fairly. You can't resist a police officer like that. They ended up in a very terrible disagreement. Look at the way it ended. Very bad. Very bad.
     
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    Incident involving police tasers turn deadly for police
     
  12. Air Langhi

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    No one died and the guy went to prison.
     
  13. Senator

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    This is so disturbing - the black community failing to acknowledge he was drunk and passed out in a drive through, officers diplomatically pulled him aside, he started freaking out and threw them both to the ground, grabbed and stole a taser, ran away, then turned around to shoot at the officer and had to be shot in self defense. There is a black sheriff with 30 years of experience who clearly says he was in the wrong and the officers did nothing wrong. But somehow...... always a victim? The wendy's was set on fire and burnt down...
     
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    This post isn't getting the response it deserves. Hope nobody needs a cop (or possibly firefighter) in Atlanta tonight. Yikes.

     
  15. Senator

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    Antifa sympathists like yourself need to join the police force instead of using the internet to troll.
    The second the situation is out of control, when officers are being attacked, particularly when they are thrown to the floor like the drive through, there is a greater chance they die than live. They have to act in their own self defense.
     
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    lmao spell check police alert
     
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  17. rocketsjudoka

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    And the police wonder why people think they are out of touch. They swore an oath to protect and serve the community not themselves. Yes this situation probably seems very unfair to them but then make sure Rolfe gets a fair trial rather than acting petulant because one of your own is held to standards that everyone else is.
     
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  18. Senator

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    Why don't you join the police instead of posting 1 useless comment after another online? Show us how to delicately arrest a guy who throws you to the floor , takes your weapon and points it at you after being passed out in a drive through for 30 minutes.
     
  19. Air Langhi

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    I would rather just build a robocop and get rid of all the cops.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    What’s the point of this? That we have LEO who can’t subdue a suspect even when they have him out numbered and tased?

    This doesn’t tell me that Brooks shooting was justified but that we seriously have a problem with submission techniques on LE
     
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