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Tupac's Changes is the most important hip hop song today

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Jun 7, 2020.

  1. AleksandarN

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    I think with This Is America the images in the video is just as powerful as Lyrics perhaps more so.
     
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    Tupac Shakur was a very complex individual and that complexity made him a legendary artist. Pac had so much potential to do more but unfortunately he just couldn’t get out of his own way. His influence, particularly on the West Coast scene, has influenced countless artists.
     
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    Some of the generation z rappers don’t really identify with Tupac. It makes sense when you think about it, if he was alive he’d be pushing 50.
     
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    I always wonder how artists like Pac, Biggie, and even some in rock like Staley and Cobain etc. would have been in this era after maturing as artists.

    I remember the feeling of listening to 2Pac in the day and it had this feeling to it that sort of wrapped a time capsule around my experience as a white kid who grew up around a lot of black friends but not in their world completely.

    I felt like Pac was sort of like their Kurt in a way where he was a bit darker and tapped into the inner demons a bit more... Like you’d get in trouble if your parents walked in your room when jamming out too loud and lyrics like “rape me” came on in my case. But I got it even as a white kid when I listen to Pac even if I wasn’t there yet to understand it culturally like I know my black friends didn’t really get Nirvana.

    I’ll never forget my first song I heard in my friends car who had this nasty system in his car with two 12’s in the trunk. When I heard

    “I won’t deny ya
    Ima straight rida
    You don’t want to f$ck with me
    .. don don don don...”

    I was hooked.

    Good sh$t
     
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    Have Post Malone do a live stream cover concert of Pac and watch them all suddenly jump on the bandwagon like they did with Nirvana.

    Everything cycles around so I think Pac will have waves of relevance.

    Some of his actual music imo sounds a bit crappy now kind of like most of the 90’s hip hop that relied too much on sampling or the non analog synths that now sound like sh$t.... however his lyrics will always be the sh$t and continue to be relevant. Him and Biggie were straight up genius. If they had better production it would make the re-listens so much better in my music nerd opinion.
     
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    Tupac is eternal, he's basically like the Hip Hop Elvis.

    Both had movie and music careers. Both love Vegas.

    I know there was more sampling back then, but sometimes it's perfect like when Tupac used the Phil Collins track to make a near perfect song

     
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    Yep I remember when millennials where lukewarm to a reunion concert to Outcast at Coachella and I had arguments with people saying that the only good thing Outcast had done was Hey Yeah.

    Can you believe that ****?
     
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    Mostly the younger millennials would go to something like Coachella (early to mid 20s). Us older millennials (late 20s to older 40s) don’t really fit in at that scene. The young millennials, and certainly the generation z people, wouldn’t remember any of OutKast’s big hits. I was never a real fan of the group (or Southern rap in general...and I live in the South) but I remember them being all over the radio back in the late 90s/early 2000s.
     
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    Outkast was amazing , their raps are very deep and full of pop culture. They were quite different than the other rappers from Atlanta.

    Atliens is a master piece



    Softly as if I played piano in the dark
    Found a way to channel my anger not to embark
    The world's a stage and everybody's got to play their part
    God works in mysterious ways so when he starts
    The job of speaking through us we be so sincere with this here
    No drugs or alcohol so I can get the signal clear as day
    Put my glock away I got a stronger weapon
    That never runs out of ammunition so I'm ready for war okay


    This was a monumental moment in rap history

     
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    Great actor too, a true talent, lots of range

     
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    I’ve lived in ATL for close to 15 years, so I’m very familiar with Southern rap (I just don’t like it...with a few exceptions). I started seriously listening to rap in the early 2000s. So I grew up on rappers like Nas, 2Pac (I know far too much 2pac trivia), Biggie. I gravitated more towards West Coast artists of the early 2000s (guys like The Game and Nipsey Hussle). There are some talented southern rappers, but they just don’t do it for me.

    Random, but I’ve seen Andre 3000 driving around my area. He was hauling ass one time and got a hell of a ticket lol.
     
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    Y’all seem like pretty big Pac fans. This channel interviews a lot of the Outlawz and “lady friends” of 2Pac. There are some interesting interviews here.
     
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    you should still give Atliens and Stankonia a listen. I like it cause the chemistry is good and the styles contrast for Dre and Big Boi.
    Pac and Nas are deep lyricists. Pac was the best actor of them all, I still don't understand Belly.
     
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    Nas is my boy but he can’t act. PAC, imho, is the second best rapper turned action ever (Will Smith is #1. He’s so good a lot of people forgot he rapped first ).
     
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    @Ziggy
    @Rocket River

    we never forgot about the fresh prince


    99
     
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    The only person ever that could legitimately make great TV, great movies, music, and do that weird quasi-Scientology stuff at a HIGH LEVEL.
     
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    Didn’t Jada have a special relationship with Tupac as well?
     
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    Happy Birthday Tupac
    RIP
     
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