That's a very good article. My current concern is this from the article :"Folks ask what’s the plan ... there isn’t one yet" I've heard everything from that the defund and disband will result in building a new PD not too much different from what we have now but with new staff and a weaker union to that we literally won't have a PD but will rely on community measures. As a Minneapolitan I personally won't support any major move like this until there is a clear plan and one that goes to a public vote. I'm not alone in this either.
As usual, there is so much disinformation being propagated. Generally, because folks just read the headline or watch Tucker Carlson and neglect to read the story. We have seen clear examples of it in this thread.
Yes. There is a lot of disinformation flying here in MN too and it's not just people freaking out believing there is will be no police. From the people supporting defund and disband too.
I commented on this on this in the MPD thread. I watched that piece and agree with a lot of it and think he is spot on regarding Bob Kroll. That said he is doing what several other people have done regarding downplaying and basically justifying the destruction. I don't know what information he has about what businesses were destroyed in Minneapolis but this is again someone who isn't here who doesn't know the community making a self-righteous judgment. I don't know who the woman was at the end of the piece and I don't know if she's talking about Minneapolis but if she is when she says "we don't own anything." the Hall of Fame she might be referring is a black owned business that was burned down during the riots. Pardon me but I'm not just going to accept 'burning this b**** down.."
I was assuming she was in the Atlanta area as that is where the college football HOF was damaged and looted.
What? Are you threatening me? I don't care about you being a 99er who is looking for attention since the garm has slowed down. Get over yourself.
Know your place pal before coming at my Robocop take. This is what happened to your pal thedopefiend @dachuda86 @Os Trigonum Before After his cheap non-paying account got deleted forever. And you don't even pay for this site, you non contributing cheapass get a job
Those on the 'right', and everyone else for that matter understand the movement. Its just a stupid movement. The mayor and the city council are the ones who need to be 'defunded' since they are the incompetent ones who can not clean up their law enforcement.
Know my place? Friends with Dopefiend? Somebody is feeling themselves. Keep making an ass of yourself.
I looked through a few of those sources and in one it said it was about ending the monopoly of the police and another admitted there would need to be some kind of community policing. So I do think the author is arguing a bit of a strawman here in the abolishing police and leaving communities defenseless claim -especially when this isn't what is being proposed in the mainstream. Perhaps there are those on the very far left who are suggesting we don't need police at all, but that is not what I am hearing from the mainstream of the movement. I think people want more than "reform" they want a different kind of police force, and to do that, you may have to end what that police force is today - its tradition and everything wiped clean and starting fresh with new ideas on the very idea of what policing is. Camden did dismantle their police department. They ended it. Abolished it. Defunded it. Whatever you want to call it. They actually did that. Yes, the created a new entity and even hired some of the old police officers but it was a new department entirely. And that's what I am hearing other cities talking about doing. I'm happy to engage in respectful debate with you. All too often my experience has been when I put time into responding, I get glib answers or just links without context that feel dismissive and disrespectful to me.
Spoken like a true Republican who doesn't believe in government, and probably wants corporations to run law enforcement. City Counsels need attention paid to local elections where there is accountability at all levels with an engaged society at even the local level. Explain to me a bit more why a movement for sweeping police reform is "stupid" please. The only stupid people are the idiots who take the bait, and freak out. Left organizers chose this language as a way to get the attention of police offers, and start dialog about where the reform needs to be... city counsels. Does it give a talking point for FoxNews to freak out their viewers, and send them further into the void.... of course, but those folks were already busy tracking Antifa vans who were going to look the HEB in the Woodlands. Also the Democrats today just released a sweeping new police reform bill, and NOWHERE in it is laws there to defund the cops, or disband the police. So the FoxNews talking point that they will inevitably be selling viewers like you from 7 to 10 tonight that "Democrats want to DEFUND the Cops" won't go anywhere since the facts do not support that talking point.
'Where Are Libertarians on Police Reform?' Right Where We've Always Been: https://reason.com/2020/06/08/where-are-libertarians-on-police-reform-right-where-weve-always-been/ excerpt: City council members in Minneapolis are even talking about disbanding the police department amidst a national, though ill-defined, movement to "defund police." Whether or not that's an improvement depends on what comes next. Retaining harsh enforcement by another name will continue the abuses, the intrusiveness, and the disproportionate use of state violence against disfavored communities under nothing more than different branding. Maybe that's why it's taken so long for people to seriously consider police reform, and why they're so resistant to giving libertarians credit on the issue. Real change requires not just dropping the word "police" but reducing the opportunity for government agents to use violence against the public. That means fewer laws to be enforced and less intrusive enforcement of those laws. That's a hard pill to swallow for ideologues who are committed to forcing people to do what they don't want to do, or to forcibly stopping them from exercising their own preferences. more at the link
