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[Graphic: Death shown] I found a genuine reason for armed protests.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by fchowd0311, May 26, 2020.

  1. jiggyfly

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    I changed my mind.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    Sounds like a man who recently reviewed his insurance policy. ;)

    Remember? From the Before Time?

    Not really a feather in your cap, dude.

    I think they start there just to get him in handcuffs. There is still an opportunity to upgrade the charge later if they think they can prove it.

    Absolutely they do. The irony of the Floyd case is that it illustrates how the black vote is captive. It's a two party, winner-take-all system. We are going to be stuck with either Biden or Trump. The only latitude you have is to decide which is the lesser of two evils -- exploitation by the Democrats or predation by the Republicans.
     
  3. Hakeemtheking

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    I also agree that a 2nd degree murder charge would be more appropriate under the circumstances. Otoh, a lower bar almost guarantees that defendant will not walk.
     
  4. Batman Jones

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    Me too. I don't want anyone to die or anyone's business to be burned down or looted, and I'm sure I'll get grief for saying this, but this kind of reaction was long overdue.
     
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  5. Andre0087

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    When was the last time a white officer was charged and convicted of murder?
     
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    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246-Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.html

    "The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

    "The defendant had his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total. Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive. Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous."

    $500,000 bail

     
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  7. JuanValdez

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    Sounds like a rhetorical question, but I don't know how to answer because I'm not sure what you're driving at. The one that occurs to me is Amber Guyger but that was a year or two ago.
     
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  8. Andre0087

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    It was a genuine question without any malicious intent although I completely forgot about her.
     
  9. HTM

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    I just watched the protesters walk through downtown Houston from my office window for a couple minutes... seemed like a pretty good turn out.
     
  10. Andre0087

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    Next will be a change of venue...we know the end game here.
     
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  11. jiggyfly

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    Wow I did not think you were that guy.

    So now the Democrats are a single entity?
     
  12. YOLO

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    now arrest the 3 accomplices and bring forth charges

    at the very least, the demonic cop with his knee on Floyd’s neck needs to spend the rest of his life in prison...I’m sure he’ll spend plenty of time on his knees in there

    the 3 accomplices need many years in prison...they also displayed a total regard for human life and did nothing to prevent Floyd’s death...all 3 should rot in jail
     
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  15. Carl Herrera

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    Ahh... Shaun King!

    Yes... on many issues, Obama did not do what various Democratic constituencies wanted him to do-- partly out of political consideration. But he is far better than the current occupant of his former office.
     
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  16. jiggyfly

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    WHAT THE COMPLAINT SAYS

    A criminal complaint released Friday afternoon details the events that unfolded on May 25:

    Officers were dispatched to Cup Foods on the report of a man buying merchandise with a counterfeit $20 bill. Shortly after 8 p.m., Officers Thomas Lane and J Alexander Kueng arrived with their body cameras activate and recording.

    The officers learned from store workers that the man, later identified as Floyd, was parked in a car around the corner.

    Body camera footage shows the officers approaching the car with Lane on the driver’s side and Kueng on the passenger side. Three people were in the car: Floyd, another man and another woman.

    As Lane began speaking with Floyd, he pulled out his gun, pointed it at Floyd and ordered him to show his hands. Floyd then put his hands on the steering wheel and Lane holstered his firearm.

    Lane then ordered Floyd out of the car and handcuffed him, but Floyd “actively resisted being handcuffed,” the complaint states. Once handcuffed, however, police said Floyd did not resist and walked with Lane to the sidewalk. Floyd then sat on the ground at Lane’s direction.

    The complaint says Lane spoke with Floyd for under two minutes, asking Floyd for his identification and name. He also asked Floyd if he was “on anything” and told Floyd he was going to be arrested for passing counterfeit currency.

    Then, Lane and Keung stood Floyd up and attempted to take him to their squad car. Floyd then “stiffened up, fell to the ground and told the officers he was claustrophobic,” the complaint states.

    That’s when Officers Chauvin and Tou Thao arrived on the scene in a separate squad car.

    After making several attempts to get Floyd in the backseat from the driver’s side, the complaint says Floyd wouldn’t get in and would struggle with the officers by intentionally falling down.

    The complaint says that Floyd began saying and repeating he could not breathe while standing outside the car. Chauvin then went to the passenger side and tried to get Floyd in from that side, with Lane and Keung assisting.

    Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the passenger side of the car at 8:19 p.m. and Floyd went to the ground face down while still handcuffed.

    While Keung and Lane held Floyd’s back and legs, Chauvin “placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck.” Floyd could be heard repeatedly saying “I can’t breathe”, as well as “mama” and “please.” The officers, however, stayed in their positions.

    The officers told Floyd, “You are talking fine”, as he continued to struggle. At one point, Lane asked “should we roll him on his side?” To which Chauvin responded, “No, staying put where we got him,” the complaint states.

    Lane then said he was “worried about excited delirium or whatever” to which Chauvin responded, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” They continued holding their positions.

    At 8:24 p.m., Floyd stopped moving. Kueng then checked Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said “I couldn’t find one.” The officers continued to hold their positions.

    At 8:27 p.m., Chauvin removed his knee from Floyd’s neck as medics arrived. Floyd was taken away in the ambulance. He was pronounced dead at Hennepin Healthcare.

    An autopsy report is pending, but the Hennepin County Medical Examiner did release these findings: There were no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation, and that Floyd had underlying health problems, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.

    According to the medical examiner, “the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,” the complaint states.

    The complaint determined that Chauvin had his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds total. Two minutes and 53 seconds of that time was after Floyd became unresponsive.

    “Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in prone position is inherently dangerous,” the complaint said.

    If convicted, Chauvin could face up to 25 years in prison on the murder charge and up to 10 years in prison on the manslaughter charge.
     
  18. jiggyfly

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    I hate Shaun King with a passion he is a sanctimonious blowhard.

    He gives progressives a bad name.

    He conveniently left of the fact that Obama was the one who SENT in the DOJ to investigate these police forces and it was Sessions who stopped them no this is not the same DOJ.

    I have no problem being critical of Obama but this guy whole thing is virtue signalling.

    **** this guy?
     
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    It sounds like the medical examiner is setting this guy's defense up with a lob. This is going to amount to either time served or an acquittal, and this city is going to burn.


    Sounds a lot like the Eric Garner case.


    Smart money would say that no matter what kind of health conditions Floyd had (even though 80% of the population has them), holding a handcuffed man down with your knee to the back of his neck for 8 minutes, forcefully enough that his nose bleeds, and disregarding his pleas for help, when he's not resisting, all the while onlookers beg for you to stop, and continuing to do so for minutes after he's unresponsive, yeah that amounts to murder.

    They couldn't find a pulse, but held their positions for three minutes? That's straight up murder.


    As has been stated, this guy gets acquitted and the riots will be worse. He HAS to be convicted.
     
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    That autopsy report is infuriating.
     

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