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2020 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    shrugs shoulders, "be that as it may" when confronted with his lie...

     
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    I guess there's only so much Stephanopoulos can do.

    But I gotta say, the Trump folks are flooding these news shows and trying to seize control of the narrative. And I doubt it's a coincidence that Trump himself is tweeting less, and thereby doing less political damage.
    These guys are busy playing the political game to "win" in November, while the rest of the country seems too busy trying to figure out what to do to overcome a medical crisis.
    And the scary thing is, this might work.
     
  4. deb4rockets

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    I think the damage has been done. I find it hard to believe that the majority of Americans trust or believe in him as a leader anymore. Most people in America have nothing to gain, and far more to lose the longer he runs this country.
     
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    While I agree I think you are overconfident in how affective propaganda can be. The fact is there is massive economic anxiety hitting right now and it’s likely to get worse. If Trumps propaganda network can have the right narrative to spin, I have serious concerns about those voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and yes... Minnesota.

    The narrative I fear could work in those states is “enough with the scientists... I like the Trump approach to just open it back up”.

    I think Biden needs to be very very careful on the economic message going to those states and get in front now... not in October.

    I don’t think Trumps approach of conspiracy theory is a good one. It’s just something he and his cult enough but they aren’t enough to win. He wins by convincing voters in those 3 or 4 states his economic approach is better ... lives be damned.
     
  6. deb4rockets

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    A lot can change between now and November. How many lies can a man tell before people say "Enough is enough". As for economic approach, well Biden can do better. Trump is feeding the rich and starving the poor.

    Tax change in coronavirus stimulus package overwhelmingly benefits millionaires
    Change will cost taxpayers nearly $90B in 2020


    The JCT estimated that 43,000 people making $1 million or more would owe a total of $70.3 billion less in taxes in 2020. Less than 3 percent of the benefits from the tax change would go to Americans earning less than $100,000 a year.


    https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/t...-package-overwhelmingly-benefits-millionaires

    Trump doesn't care about those working for the millionaires and billionaires. He doesn't care about those dying who don't make him rich.

    I think Biden just needs to focus on telling it like it is and not what it isn't. Show how he can better serve the people. That includes quality of life, healthcare, and a leader who seeks to unite the people instead of dividing the people.
     
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    Oh I agree, and I think Biden can kill Trump on economics, and surely corruption. The issue is dealing with his propaganda network which can create false realities and often does on Trump & economics. His ratings here are consistently higher in polling than his overall approval, and that should concern Democrats greatly. It speaks to a hefty amount of ignorance with a large swath of the population, and to the notion of REPUTATION.

    For example.... in focus groups often you hear from these low-information voters (and there are alot of them) that "well Trump is a businessman" as a way to sort of explain why he does what he does. Me and you know he's not. He's not a "businessman" in the way that you and I would think of. He's a media person first, politician second, and hustler third. He is NOT a businessman by any stretch.

    But because of the Apprentice, and just videos of him flying around on his helicopter above Manhattan from the early 2000's, people just think of him in a certain way that it is nearly impossible to convince them otherwise on.

    You and I know what the reality is, and Joe Biden likely has the message to counter Trump on Covid Economic Anxiety... the problem is breaking through the propaganda that will be inundating those low information voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, etc. How is Biden going to break through that noise, and how is he going to get people to see the light in regards to Trump's reputation as a businessperson that will work to his advantage when a low information voter sees the economy crumbling, and see's the Washington bureaucracy as the problem, and links Democrats like Biden to that bureaucracy regardless of the fact that Trump is there and they are not?

    I really don't know. We know they are going to think this way, and its the one thing that could sway those voters back to voting Trump again. Those are the same voters who won Trump the electoral college in 2016, and I'm deathly afraid of their ignorance once again ruining America.
     
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    My own view of Biden is that he really isn't good as an attack dog. He get's into things like challenging people to do pushups and says hokey things like "Malarkey" or stuff that isn't helpful like "they want y'all in chains!". Biden is at his best when he's talking about grief and connecting with people in grief. He can do the Clinton "I feel your pain." and mean it because he's dealt with grief most of his life. Now is the time that he should be doing that. He can address the social and economic pain that this society is feeling as compared to Trump who is incapable of expressing empathy or sympathy. That attacks should be left to others.
     
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    Agreed...this is why Warren would be a good VP pick (not saying that I endorse her in that position). She knows how to get under Trump's skin and could help Biden deflect a lot of the vitriol while attacking Trump directly. Biden could then stay above the fray and just preach his message and his platform.
     
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    Truth over Facts?

    Isn't truth the same as facts?

    This makes no sense and it's preaching to the choir, I guess anything that sticks.
     
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    Its an update on the earlier trumpism... "alternate facts"...

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    Can you imagine how many rules Trump will demand for the debates?
     
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    Can you imagine Biden declining to do debates at all? I see almost no purpose for Biden to debate Trump. Trump has zero command of the facts and will just BS his way through the whole thing. Biden would have to spend half of his time setting the record straight and inadvertently giving more time to Trump.
     
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    He'll probably start by demanding there are no debates.
     
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    If only it were that easy. The problem is that people will continue voting along party lines rather than voting for who is the most qualified. Part of it is an issue with how our government is set up. The Trump presidency, for better or for worse, will have a lasting impact in our laws. He's had the opportunity to assign multiple federal judges, including two USSC picks. The parties represent a certain set of social values that many people view highly (pro-life, pro-choice, LGBT, separation of church and state, etc etc). Personally, I support a lot of social values that are represented by Democrats which is why I vote democrat. In this coming election, if I had a choice between voting for the best Republican candidate vs voting for a potato (yes, a potato) who represents democrats, I'd likely choose the potato.

    I don't know the advantages of guaranteeing that federal appointees can serve a life time in their position, but it definitely puts our politics at a disadvantage when it comes to voting. I'm not saying every voter is smart enough to comprehend our government system, however, those that do are probably voting with this in mind. I knew several people that didn't like Trump the person nor the candidate, however, they still voted for Trump because he represented their moralistic ideals (pro-choice and christianity [yeah right]).

    Personally, I'd like to always vote for the best candidate, but sometimes that might not be the correct vote depending on your positions and the current political climate. I wish I could believe that people will be smart enough to vote this clown out of the presidency, but ultimately, as it does every year, it will be reliant on the swing states. I don't know how those swing voters feel this year. I'm hoping they are pissed off enough at the incompetency of this administration regarding foreign policy, domestic disaster response (Puerto Rico and Coronavirus), the economy, etc that they will vote his ass out of office. Quite frankly though, this isn't a sure thing. The 2016 election taught me a lot of lessons.
     
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    Let's hope some more of those with morals and belief in religion decide to vote Democratic this year, because Trump is the opposite of what they strive to be in a both a person and towards humankind.
     
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