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Obamagate

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, May 11, 2020.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    There is even less to Obamagate than there was to Benghazi or Hillary's e-mails. This is laughable.
     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    Let's put this guy on TV in a hearing:

     
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    Do you have a phone number? I would like to hook my boy @J.R. up this weekend.
     
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  4. Nook

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    Are you going to deny the allegation? At this point we have to assume it is true unless we hear otherwise.
     
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  5. Carl Herrera

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    Thanks, Obamagate!
     
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    hottest press secretary ever.
     
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  8. Amiga

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    I don’t know. Trump is losing the polls but people feels he’s more likely to get re-elected.
     
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    This is how a President should speak..
     
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    Trump's path will pretty much be the same path as 2016. Trump's approval rating is down among suburban women but he remain's strong among suburban men. He still has a lead among white voters and white voters are still the majority. The odds are against him but not that much. The factors I see that could lead to Trump winning reelection are that he gets enough of a shift in turnout among white suburban supporters while urban minority vote doesn't turn out quite as much. In battleground states.

    If we project that there is another wave in COVID-19 in the fall this could play out in Trump's favor regarding turnout. If WI, where Trump still remains close, if there is another patchwork of shutdowns and openings you could see Madison and Milwaukee being largely shutdown while rural areas and Twin City suburbs in Western WI remain largely open. Given WI's SC opposition to making voter easier we see a larger turnout in areas where Trump is stronger. This backfired against them in the WI primary but going into Trump voters weren't motivated to go to the polls since there wasn't a competitive Republican race and while the SC seat was important most voters are less motivated by state SC seats than they are a presidential race. Also Republicans might've suffered what happened to Clinton and just presumed they had that seat won.

    The other possibility for Trump is that we do get an actual improvement with COVID and there isn't a second wave in the Fall (treatments improve, social distancing regimes have been more successful than they seem like, we get herd immunity, or just dumb luck). Things open and the economy improves. Whether Trump deserves it or not he will get a bump from the euphoria of seemingly defeating the disease. He doesn't need a large bump but that could easily propel him to a second term.
     
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    Wait, this is where you get your information?! There are so many false hoods in here, I also don’t know where to begin with the “lying”. Your messiah and his followers are pathological liars
     
  12. Amiga

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    Things have actually been very consistent, amazing so. Events have not moved the needle much. I think that just speaks to max polarization. Trump is losing but people feel he's winning for a few reasons.

    Easy reason - Obviously, the election polls were wrong in 2016 so why trust it now. Reality - he is losing. Perception - over-correction to "bad election polls" and he's probably not losing and actually will win. This perception is captured in poll -> "who do you think will win" vs "who will you vote for".

    Easy reason as well - Trump and Republican has demonstrated abusing power and acting illegally to increase chances of winning. Reality - Trump is using the power of government to increase his chances (most recent: printing name on covid 19 checks). Perception - That won't change and in fact, it will ramp up, thus it increases chance of Trump winning.

    Reality is Trump is losing. 2018 midterm is evidence. 2018 is also evidence of the reality and perception gap. Election polls pointed to DEM taking over the house yet people polled thought the Republican will maintain power (by 6 points). They were obviously very wrong. That reality perception gap continues today, thinking the GOP in invincible and the DEM are fools when it comes to election (I fall into that category as well lol).

    With all that said... yes, Trump has room to move up, but not much. Biden probably has more room to move down than up, but also not much. It will be a close election but Biden is likely to win.
     
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    I agree with your analysis which is why I only give Trump a 45% of winning. My main message though is that noone should feel confident about this election and nothing should be taken for granted.
     
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    Fixed it for you... btw, she isn't even "hot", if that is your criteria for judging presidential press secretaries, I would suggest Dana Perino, who at least had something between her ears...
     
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    for an America you and I would like, yes.

    for others, they prefer a president to speak more “real,” meaning rude, divisive semi-coherence. I mean, I guess they want that.

    article versus comments section - that’s the best summary I’ve ever heard for our struggle.
     
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    lol did you know that lawyers... and journalists... or activists pretending to be both... push an agenda... and they are not obliged to tell you everything? This is horse ****.
     
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    45% is pretty much a coin flip, so yea. I don't think many are overly confident.
     
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    Incoming drone strike. Nobody kills brown children like Obama. Yet you dems eat it up and orange man bad bla bla bla. Bernard too old and tired to argue
     
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    BUT BUT Obama's wars were spoken of in a way that's presidential!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     

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