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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. Supermac34

    Supermac34 President, Von Wafer Fan Club

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    Vaccines do two things. Their primary job is to build your immunity so you don't get infected. Their secondary, and no less important job, if you DO get the infection, it blunts the effects. So even if a vaccine is like 20-30% effective at prevention, they tend to blunt the effects so you don't go into the hospital or die. That's why flu shots in older people are so important. Even if a flu shot in a particular year is only 20-30% effective, it'll keep you out of the hospital if you DO get the flu...even if they "miss" on the strain.

    The COVID vaccine doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to prevent ENOUGH infection to slow or stop the spread AND if it keeps most people that would have been in the hospital from going to the hospital, its enough to get back to normal life.

    The same applies to reinfection. If you've had COVID once, even if you get it again even a somewhat mutated strain: your body will respond normally. You'll get cold/flu symptoms and then recover. You won't go on a respirator and die.

    Another thing on mutations: almost ALL virus mutate to become LESS deadly. It is natural selection on a grand scale. The people that get really sick stay home, go to the hospital, and perhaps die. They are removed from circulation and infect less people. The people with milder mutations go about their daily life...so the virus self selects for the LESS deadly version.
     
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  3. B-Bob

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    (1) Yes.
    (2) Yes.
    (3) The people I know in the business of working on it are not totally confident of that yet, but it is probable. Some are very concerned that, even if you have some antibodies, if you get a huge dose (like living with a COVID-19 patient), the high titer could overwhelm the antibodies. We need MOAR data and MOAR time.
    (4) Yes again, especially with "almost all." Hope it's true here as well. Even in really bad, deadly cases, the highest rate of shedding is before symptoms though. There may only be a light pressure to moderate for this virus given asymptomatic spread and (relatively) very slow mutation rate.

    Cheers.
     
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  4. Surfguy

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    I’m going to go shopping pretty much for only meats and freeze them. I think we’re about to start seeing shortages with the plants shutting down. A safe bet to stock up now.
     
  5. heypartner

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    I wouldn't worry about this. We can always replace the meat-packing plants with wet markets.
     
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  6. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    I don't even read the vaccine news. It's not something you can get excited about until you think you finally have it. Only then, once you think you have the vaccine on your hands, can you start testing it and monitoring it at scale. Any other news about a vaccine should be irrelevant to the general public.

    If Pitino was giving the press conference, he'd tell you a vaccine was NOT walking through that door.
     
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  8. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Waiting on a Japanese SELVEDGE denim one from Manready or Stag. I don't fk with Wranglers, I don't own a TRACTOR.
     
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    Wranglers suck. And I don't own a tractor either.
     
  10. robbie380

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    You are getting caught up in the weeds. I'm not trying to get into a back and forth with analogies that add nothing of substance to a discussion. Also, we all know D&D is absolutely destructive for conversation and discussion.

    My point isn't terribly complex. His experts have corrected him many times in the past when he has said stupid, off base things, or over the top boomer comments. UV light and it's role in preventing and treating infections on multiple levels has been known for over a hundred years. For some reason it is just now being discussed which is absurd. This is a condemnation of EVERYONE involved in dealing with this pandemic. This isn't simply a tangential topic. It is something that should be absolutely unavoidable if the experts are bringing up UV light. If I'm thinking about it then I don't know why they wouldn't be.

    I'll separate my other points on vitamin D deficiency into another post so hopefully more people read it....and I have nothing better to do than workout, drink coffee, and research this **** lol :D

    Hugs and rainbows!
     
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  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Perhaps we've been listening to different sources but UV light as a disinfectant isn't something new to me and I've seen it brought up several times in regard to COVID-19. Mainly in discussions if warmer weather can stop the disease.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    There is a video on CNN of Anderson Cooper interviewing a woman who lost her 32 year old husband. He was in the hospital on a ventilator and was improving where they were just fixing to take him off and he was basically able to breathe on his own. But, then suddenly went into cardiac arrest at 2 in the morning. His wife didn't even get a chance to say goodbye the night before because he was given a sedative and they decided to let him sleep. He leaves behind a wife and 2 kids ages 2 years old and 10 months old. Anderson was having trouble keeping it together. It was very emotional and I couldn't keep the tears from flowing. So sad.

    I'm terrified of getting this virus. I don't know how to return to any semblance of normalcy at the moment. It just feels like being under house arrest. This is surreal. They were even talking about this virus hitching rides on pollution particles...like you can't just walk outside without a mask especially if you are in industrial zones where pollution is emitted. Hope you don't live near one. You would have to be pretty damn unlucky to get it from a pollution particle imo. Doesn't sound like a real world scenario to me.
     
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  15. rocketsjudoka

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    I hear you and I keep on saying this virus is no joke and something to take seriously.

    That said getting worked up and stressed about it isn't good and also not good for your health. Even at some of the worst mortality rates still only puts at most a 10% chance of death. Most mortality rates are around 5% and as we're finding with more testing it might be much lower than that. So even if you get it you still have a great chance of surviving.

    We need to take this seriously, continue to do the things like social distancing and hand washing. I'll add improving and maintaining your own health through eating right, exercising and getting enough sleep. Doing those thing will greatly improve your odds of surviving this.
     
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    Hospitals have the monitors/machines that cover the basics such as pulse, BP, oxygen and temperature. I don't know if an accurate BP reading with a cuff around the finger is possible.

    There are multiple choices for monitors that cover BP and pulse.

    Example




    There are multiple choices for remote thermometers for BBQ, so the ability to do that is already established and you have bought an oximeter.


    So the technology is out there for each of the basics at a consumer level and it just needs to be combined into an integrated unit that can display/communicate the readings.

    The first level would be having all four of the readings show on a single screen like the hospital monitors do so the patient/consumer could take a picture and show the aide/nurse that would do the screening - information gathering prior to the Tele Dr showing up. There is the possibility that there would be an input error by the aide/nurse and it would be more efficient to have the information be transmitted in some way.

    The second level would be to send the information to the patient's/consumer's phone and then send it as a text to a designated phone number at the Dr's office. Convert the text to something agreeable with a computer in the Dr's office and it eliminates the possibility of
    input error.

    The third level would be to have the integrated device send the information directly to the computer in the Dr's office and eliminate the step with the text message and cell phone. If the data is old/stale/not current , then a reminder text that new readings are needed prior to the video meeting with the Tele Dr. could be sent to the patient's cell phone. The integrated machine could also broadcast an audible reminder that new readings are needed.

    Overall, I think it the technology is already up to the task and probably at (or close to) an acceptable price point for the consumer. The medical industry would need to get together and establish the standards on how things would be done for levels two and three.
     
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  19. Supermac34

    Supermac34 President, Von Wafer Fan Club

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    This. This is where I really hate how we're covering this in the media. Young, healthy people die all the time from horrible accidents and diseases when they shouldn't. If we covered them all like we covered this thing, you'd be in a fetal position on your bedroom floor every day.

    I'm not minimizing that there is a risk to this disease to even young people, but its crazy to publish every story like this. Young people drop dead from heart attacks and aneurysms and get cancer or die in a car wreck or die from pneumonia or get shot or get any number of horrible, horrible things...
     

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