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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    Just Say No to whatever vaccine that guy took...
     
  2. Dr of Dunk

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    Anybody hear anything about this overseas?


    Researchers discover new coronavirus symptoms: feet lesions
    https://www.fox4news.com/news/researchers-discover-new-coronavirus-symptoms-feet-lesions

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    "It is a curious finding that began yesterday to spread in the healthcare field, among dermatologists and podiatrists, fundamentally: the same symptoms are increasingly being detected in patients with COVID -19, especially children and adolescents, although some cases have also been detected in adults," the statement reads. "These are purple-colored lesions (very similar to those of chickenpox, measles or chilblains) that usually appear around the toes and that usually heal without leaving marks on the skin."

    The lesions have been found in Italy, France and Spain, the researchers added.
     
  3. likestohypeguy

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    Ofc you're going to get feet lesions.

    I mean what medical condition could possibly be made up at this point, that covid 19 is to cause, that make you say naah lol. Scabies? Anal fissures?
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    I blame toxic farts on the covid.
     
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    Editing post to include this video as well as it was referenced. I never really thought about why there were no N. or S. American plagues that ravaged Europe when these continent's people first met.

     
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    I posted this in D&D, where many wouldn't see it. It relates to your post, @London'sBurning.

    Here's an excellent article from a very good website put out by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. It's very well regarded in Australia, and sometimes has content written by Australian government and military leaders. It's a short history of plagues going as far back as the Peloponnesian War, their impact on societies and history, the way attempts to deal with them impacted not only their own civilizations, but history in general, and how all that relates to what we are experiencing now. The author is a former Israeli foreign minister. Enjoy.

    Why this pandemic is different
    20 Apr 2020|Shlomo Ben-Ami


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    Long before people and goods were traversing the globe non-stop, pandemics were already an inescapable feature of human civilisation. And the tragedy they bring has tended to have a silver lining: perceived as mysterious, meta-historical events, large-scale disease outbreaks have often shattered old beliefs and approaches, heralding major shifts in the conduct of human affairs. But the Covid-19 pandemic may break that pattern.

    In many ways, the current pandemic looks a lot like its predecessors. For starters, predictable or not, disease outbreaks have always caught the authorities off guard—and they have often failed to respond quickly and decisively.

    Albert Camus depicted this tendency in his novel The plague, and China’s government embodied it when it initially suppressed information about the novel coronavirus. US President Donald Trump did the same when he minimised the threat, comparing Covid-19 as recently as last month with seasonal flu. As an official in Camus’s novel said, the plague is nothing but ‘a special type of fever’.

    Leaders’ lack of foresight has often left people with only one real defence from disease outbreaks: social distancing. As Daniel Defoe noted in A journal of the plague year, his memoir of the bubonic plague outbreak in London in 1665, the municipal government banned events and gatherings, closed schools and enforced quarantines.

    Nearly two millennia before London’s Great Plague, during the epidemic that killed at least a third of Athenians near the end of the Peloponnesian War, the Greek historian Thucydides observed that if people made contact with the sick, ‘they lost their lives’. As a result, many ‘died alone’, and funeral customs were ‘thrown into confusion’. And, owing to the high death toll, the dead were often ‘buried in any way possible’.

    During the Covid-19 crisis, lockdowns and other social-distancing protocols have similarly prevented people from visiting their dying loved ones and upended funeral traditions. In China, families are reportedly encouraged to bury their dead quickly and quietly. Satellite images show mass graves being dug in Iran. New York City officials have also ramped up mass burials, intended for those who have no next of kin or families who can afford a funeral. Some cemeteries in London have run out of graves.

    Another parallel between the current pandemic and its predecessors is the tendency to embrace experimental palliatives. During the pandemic of so-called Spanish flu a century ago, scientists blamed bacterial infections, and designed treatments accordingly. We know now that influenza is caused by a virus; no bacterial vaccines could protect against it.

    Of course, researchers working on Covid-19 have a much more advanced understanding of disease. But, as we await a bespoke cure or vaccine, existing antivirals—such as those long used for malaria—are being tested, with mixed results. The use of one such drug, chloroquine, has raised concerns after patients receiving it showed signs of heart-related complications.

    And then there are the bogus cures that invariably emerge—‘infallible preventive pills’, as Defoe called them. Today, charlatans—aided by social media—have made similarly false and dangerous claims, suggesting that anything from snorting cocaine to drinking bleach can protect against Covid-19. Trump himself has touted hydroxychloroquine as a potential ‘game changer’, despite the lack of testing—prompting one couple to attempt to self-medicate. The husband died; his wife barely survived.

    The economic disruption caused by Covid-19 also has plenty of precedent. The second-century Antonine Plague caused one of the most severe economic crises in the history of the Roman Empire. The Plague of Justinian—which initially erupted in 541–542 and recurred intermittently for two centuries—did the same to the Byzantine Empire.

    Epidemics not only ravage economies, but also throw societal inequalities into sharp relief, deepening mistrust in the status quo. Disease may not discriminate between rich and poor, but their living conditions always make the poor and marginalised more vulnerable. Machiavelli, who witnessed—and probably died in—the plague in Florence in 1527, viewed the outbreak as the direct result of misrule. Criticisms of China, Trump, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and others have echoed this sentiment.

    Others view epidemics through the lens of conspiracy theories. Marcus Aurelius blamed Christians for the Antonine Plague. In Christian Europe, the 14th-century Black Death was blamed on Jews.

    Imagined culprits behind the Covid-19 crisis include radiation from 5G technology, the US military, the Chinese military and—no surprise—Jews. Iran’s state-controlled media has warned people not to use any vaccine developed by Israeli scientists. Publications in Turkey and Palestine have defined Covid-19 as an Israeli biological weapon. White supremacists in Austria, Switzerland and the US have blamed the Jewish financier and philanthropist George Soros, who they believe hopes to thin out the world population and cash in on a vaccine.

    Despite these similarities, the Covid-19 pandemic is likely to stand out in a crucial way: it is unlikely to upend the established order. The Antonine and Justinian plagues encouraged the spread of Christianity throughout Europe. The Black Death drove people towards a less religious, more humanistic view of the world—a shift that would lead to the Renaissance. The Spanish flu prompted uprisings, massive labour strikes and anti-imperialist protests. In India, where millions died, it helped to galvanise the independence movement.

    The Covid-19 pandemic, by contrast, is more likely to reinforce three pre-existing—and highly destructive—trends: deglobalisation, unilateralism and authoritarian surveillance capitalism. Almost immediately, calls for reducing dependence on global value chains—already gaining traction before the crisis—began to intensify. Efforts by the European Union to devise a common strategy have again exposed the bloc’s old divisions. Trump has now decided to suspend US funding allocated to the World Health Organization. And, under the cover of the fight for life, authorities beyond just China or Russia are trampling on liberties and invading personal privacy.

    Two world wars have shown that a global order organised around egocentric nationalism is incompatible with peace and security. The pandemic has highlighted the urgent need for a new balance between the nation-state and supranational institutions. Without that, the devastation wrought by Covid-19 will only increase.

    https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/why-this-pandemic-is-different/
     
  7. malakas

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    Nice article but when I came to this part I couldn't believe it. Did a quick research and found nothing, about him personally blaming Christians.

    Marcus Aurelius was one of the most brilliant stoic philosophers, a humanitarian. The philosopher king.
    I have extreme respect and awe for him after reading his memoirs, and that's why I can't believe it and I didn't find any proof.

    it's an hybris to tarnish the reputation of one of the most brilliant minds in humanity for no reason? Because he built back the temples?
     
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  8. malakas

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    Exactly. Other viruses have been doing what is virus is doing too,it's not uncommon.

    Information is key. Because we lack information many people are suffering.
    Doctors and hospitals were also overwhelmed and we didn't know of what kind of cardiological, hepatic, nephrological and neurological problems this exact virus could cause.

    The good news is that medicine has a lot of weapons already ready to battle most of these.
    We need to establish first better protocols and they are already in development. i.e as soon as the doctor sees this infection factor in your bloodwork immediately to give you this particular drug.

    For example I know of the preliminary results of a double blind clinical trial that show immense improvement with colchicine on the cardiological issues. So much that possibly by next week they will start giving it on the onset of symptoms.

    But in my opinion the one thing that is special is the kind of pneumonia this virus causes and that's the hardest to treat. Lung lesions.
     
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  9. ThatBoyNick

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    Looks like those bird-man things that dissolved people in Beastmaster
     
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    yeah everything he said is true- except the children. But most in pre print not yet peer reviewed studies and the sample size is small. How could it be different?
    If I show you a preprint study based on 5 patients who developed neurological issues in Italy, one could say and rightfully so 5 people means nothing. The sample is too small.

    Its not what can be called PROOF under the correct scientifical methodology.
    The reason is that clinicians are quickly trying to share all kind of informations so all these pre prints are published - and everyone could learn as fast as possible - and that's why any average joe like me can also read about these.

    The children is only his hypothesis.
    But I thought about it too.
    The safest and fastest way to raise the herd immunity is to infect children at this point. Governments could start "summer camps" to let the virus go unimpended while children and teenagers are kept away from their parents. Why noone does it?
    Because it is too dangerous to deliberately expose mass populations to a not well studied virus.
     
  12. Buck Turgidson

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    Mexican freetailed bats are awesome...bug eating machines.
     
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    Faculty meeting said the 30 minutes of online student interaction is too much. Sounds to me they need to start reducing some teachers.
     
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    Australia and New Zealand have stomped this thing pretty well, they are remote islands but they get a ton of tourism and have a ton of citizens who work abroad coming in and out of the country.

    Both countries have a death rate of 3 per million citizens... for context, the USA is at 128 deaths per million, Belgium is at 503 deaths per million.

    NZ new cases today - 5

    Australia new cases today - 17

    The only two highly developed non-asian countries that have gotten a grip on the virus.
     
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    It defintely looks like they ****ed with their numbers, but by how much is the question. The other highly developed asian nations have also done really well, like what would SK look like on that map? More similar to China then the others.

    Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia, Japan, Brunei, are they all ****ing with their numbers too? Or is the culture and governments that are seriously disrupting the virus?
     
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    Haha not above the law in TB.
     
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    I can't really speak for all the countries but Japan underwhelmed with testing because of the Olympic fuss, now they are at 11k+infections. Doubled within a week or two. Ramped it up big time.



    They were clearly following another strategy back then.

    Is that tweet taken down? I cannot seem to access it.
     
  20. ThatBoyNick

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    I don't follow positive cases closely, just deaths and specific population-adjusted deaths. Japan death per citizen rate is very low.

    So either they have faired very well, or they aren't testing those who are dying (hard to believe for a country like Japan unless it was purposeful for a coverup), or they are hiding the numbers. This would have to be the case for basically all of the developed Asian countries... which I wouldn't rule out, but it would be quite the conspiracy.
     

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