1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. malakas

    malakas Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    15,381
    What happened to the Bolshoi Ballet is a prime example why no team sports will be able to be played in empty arenas this season.

    Tested everyone 2 days before the perfomance and all came negative. Put them in a hotel for quarantine and then held a fundraising live tv event in an empty auditorium.

    After that they retested everyone and came back with 34 positives.
    All asymptomatic.
    Why?
    Because presymptomatics aren't detected by even the best tests and are the most contagious.
    It's impossible to conduct a perfomance or a game of team sport, with social distancing.
     
    Mazulis and Cokebabies like this.
  2. RKREBORN

    RKREBORN Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    10,567
    Likes Received:
    11,820
    So why does everyone think we are almost out of this? I feel as if there is still no end in site
     
    Pringles and the11mingdynasty like this.
  3. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,490
    Likes Received:
    102,619
    Oh wow.
     
  4. robbie380

    robbie380 ლ(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ლ)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    23,962
    Likes Received:
    11,101


    Not trying to shoot the messenger Gigo, but that part is simply not true. Vitamin D is effective in reduction of risk for respiratory infections especially for non-white people and even more so at higher latitudes with less sun exposure.

     
  5. robbie380

    robbie380 ლ(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ლ)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    23,962
    Likes Received:
    11,101
    How long ago was this?
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,490
    Likes Received:
    102,619
    Concert was Saturday.
     
    Mazulis, robbie380 and malakas like this.
  7. malakas

    malakas Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    15,381
    The event was on Saturday and the new positives were announced on Monday.
    It was a fundraising for healthcare workers, named My Vmeste (We are together).

    They tried to contribute with the way they could, and they ended up infected. :(
     
  8. robbie380

    robbie380 ლ(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ლ)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    23,962
    Likes Received:
    11,101
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-cases-TV-performance-auditorium-Russia.html

    Bolshoi Theatre is hit by major outbreak of 34 coronavirus cases after performing in an empty auditorium on live TV in Russia
    • World famous troupe gave performance to honour the country's medics
    • Several hundred were involved in organising and had tested negative
    • But now 34 have been infected despite no audience members in the theatre
    • It comes as Russia has recorded 21,102 cases (2,774 today) and 170 deaths

    The world famous Bolshoi Theatre in Moscow has been hit by a major outbreak of coronavirus with 34 cases.

    The outbreak emerged after the troupe performed on live TV from an empty auditorium while Russia is in lockdown with 21,102 infections recorded and 170 deaths.

    The Bolshoi's general director Vladimir Urin said 34 involved in organising the TV concert - called 'We are together' - tested positive for Covid-19.

    'Without exception, all of the theatre's personnel, including security guards and engineers, were tested for coronavirus two days before the concert,' Urin said.

    'Thirty-four people tested positive for coronavirus. They didn't have a fever or clear signs of illness, but they were all suspended from work and sent to quarantine.'

    Urin added: 'There's no way that dozens of cases were identified at the concert itself.'

    Several hundred people involved in arranging the concert had passed a test a few days before the event.

    The event was meant as a thank you to Russian doctors, emergency workers and volunteers involved in tackling the coronavirus crisis - but it appears to have been organised and performed without proper social distancing.

    Dancer Sergei Polunin - formerly of London's Royal Ballet - said: 'I was happy to be back on stage and dance in support of people who fighting the virus and people who are staying at home.

    'It was unusual to see empty auditorium.

    'When I was walking on stage I still had a feeling that audience were there.'

    The spread at the Bolshoi appeared to symbolise a failure which sees Moscow's hospitals in emergency mode and suspicions the rising official figures - with another record of 2,774 new cases today - mask the real toll.
     
  9. malakas

    malakas Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    15,381
    That's the real reason why even if someone takes the best precautions ends up infecting all their family.
    Unless they took the precautions BEFORE they showed the first symptom, by the time you even have a small cough you have shed the virus all over your household.
    Look at what happened to what's family. His sister took all the measures but by the time she got sick all her family was already infected.
    Thankfully they are all well now, thank god.
     
  10. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,064
    Likes Received:
    23,337
    Not everyone.

    I think we are no where prepared to transition from mitigation to containment. I have been monitoring some local governments - some of them have recently extended lockdown. Some have just recently cancel this year academic school. This is with their cases going down.

    There is a model to follow. Taiwan for example. We are NOT going to be back to anywhere close to normal, but we can be back... if only we do the work to get us there, to a point where we can transition to containment. My concern is some cities and state will gamble with this and we will be yo-yo-ing for awhile...

    https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...-cases-adding-to-success-in-fighting-pandemic
     
  11. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    99,139
    Likes Received:
    48,931
    Good intentions, bad timing and yes, 'ghost games' will happen as money and staying alive fiscally will make it happen until the first group of athletes tests positive all over again.
     
  12. malakas

    malakas Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    15,381
    I have been taking 2000 IU for 2 weeks now every day.

    Not to mention that a recent study said that vitamin D could help prevent cytocine storms.
    Which if you are on the younger side - younger than 60- is the most likely severe complication you have to look out for that can send you to the ICU.
     
    Mazulis and pippendagimp like this.
  13. heypartner

    heypartner Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    63,510
    Likes Received:
    59,001
    Kyle Korver begs to differ.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    Minus the testing, there was something like this a few weeks ago with a Washington choir where dozens of people got sick.

    But all through Jan/Feb, there were thousands of sporting events, concerts, conferences, megachurches, etc happening around the world. Places like Vegas were filled with people daily. If it really can spread that much that easily - that a few people had it undetected and 30+ people got it during a single performance or rehearsal - all those thousands of events should have spread this thing far and wide. We should have been at millions of cases worldwide months ago rather than today. None of this really makes any sense.
     
  15. malakas

    malakas Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    15,381
    Then everyone involved will have to sign an agreement that they don't held the league responsible - while understading the risk.

    Most of the security guards, coaches, officials are in the risky age group.
    And there is good reason to suspect at this point that the players could be in the risky group themselves.
    Race.
     
    daywalker02 likes this.
  16. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    99,139
    Likes Received:
    48,931
    They already started practising in smaller groups, esp. in countries where the mortality rate isn't viewed as egregious.

    I agree, safety measures should be increased dramatically.
     
  17. robbie380

    robbie380 ლ(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ლ)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    23,962
    Likes Received:
    11,101
    Race only seems to be a factor due to vitamin D issues and due to the issues with poor diets and diabetes in those communities. It would be good to have those ACE2 expression tests to know who is more likely to have a bad reaction to covid, but there doesn't seem to be much publicity with that currently.
     
  18. malakas

    malakas Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    15,381
    There have been some few genetic studies before but they did them mainly for hypertension and (LOL) to track the movement of the first homo sapiens out of africa.

    All I see is that in the UK every healthcare worker who died was BAME.
    The ACE2 and ACE1 genes are undoubtably by genetic studies different across not only racial but also ethnic populations. For example there is a big difference between western and northern european ethnic groups and eastern european and middle eastern population.

    Now it doesn't mean that a player can die. But it could send him in the hospital with pneumonia.
    Can you imagine how any league will react to that?
     
    robbie380 likes this.
  19. malakas

    malakas Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    15,381
    btw if you had your DNA tested in a ancestry site by looking at the raw data, maybe you can find what genotype you have for ACE2.
     
  20. robbie380

    robbie380 ლ(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ლ)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    23,962
    Likes Received:
    11,101
    Another bad day for deaths. The rest of the US overtook NY/NJ for the majority of deaths today at 56%. It was right around a 50% split yesterday. The percentage of tests positive stayed below 20% again today, but it's still too high at 18.7%. New York's percentage shot back up today to 43.1% ending the 3 day downward streak it was on.

    Connecticut and Massachusetts both had big jumps in deaths today. CT went from 69 to 197. MA went from 113 to 151.
     
    Mazulis and FrontRunner like this.

Share This Page