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Trump's coronavirus response

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. Astrodome

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    I see it a bit differently. Having only one hour a day devoted to actual real news at one of the time of day where it's likely to be background noise seems more like a strategy for the Murdoch's to say "see...we have real news, and aren't afraid to tell the truth" when in reality their high viewership programs are nothing more than hyperpartisan pure propaganda nonsense. Brett Beir needs to realize if he doesn't already, that he is being used to give credibility to a propaganda network that is concerned with one thing and one thing only.... power for the Republican party, and money for the Murdochs.
     
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    All true but do you not realize that regardless of the WHO ... WE KNEW that this was a threat back in January regardless?? Do you realize that the right wing media is doing everything they can to play the blame game to try and protect our current leadership politically??

    What happened to America First anyways? I thought Republicans didn't need global elite organizations like the WHO anymore anyways, and we were just going to handle our issues ourselves internally. It seems disingenuous now when politically convenient to blame them when this is obviously OUR PROBLEM now.

    The WHO was announcing the same information and warnings to countries like South Korea, and look at their results vs ours. Like.... maybe WE (American leadership) might of F-ed up here maybe just a tad bit ya think?
     
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    Now now... that's a crazy lib poll. Lets check in with scott rasmussen, a poll that trump praises as being very fair...


    https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_apr14

    Polls schmolls... fake news!
     
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    Looks like Trump also knew. Wasn't he the 'first one' to shutdown travel from Chheyna!
    Or may be he is just lying!! Or may be he is 'the Chheyna' or may be not.. who knows ..anything is possible
     
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    But WHO did warn the countries - a technical guidance was issued on January 10, case in Thailand confirmed on January 13 (evidence of international spread), human-to-human spread confirmed on January 22, Initial assessment to declare PHEIC on Jan 23 (no consensus) and PHEIC declared on Jan 30. That is enough heads up for any country to prepare for the pandemic.

    Maybe fault them for not declaring PHEIC on January 23 (IHR EC has 15 members but only one from China, same as US), but WHO can only act on information provided to it. WHO in of itself cant force China or any other country to cooperate and be more transparent - that is the role of the other member countries like the US. But instead of putting pressure on China, Trump was praising China and Xi for a job well done.

    Trump did basically nothing the entire February.
     
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    Exactly we've known for decades that even an U.S friendly China will still do what China does. We've had protocol for pandemics.
    Remember when the cdc released a cool zombie protocol so people would take interest in pandemic preparedness. That was 2011 or 2012.

    Presidents have to be able to lead and listen to those that know what they're talking about. But someone arrogant filled with pride is a recipe for disaster. This president would rather take the sack than throw the ball away, not because he thought he could extend the play and make some magic happen, which is stupid but you can understand it. He did it because his completion % may have suffered which is unacceptable.
     
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    Trump has ZERO responsibility that the virus is here in the US.

    Trump has 100% responsibility on the US response.

    Beside that...

    I think I know why Trump and his supporter is barking up the China and WHO tree. Trump put all his eggs into the basket of containing this virus outside the US and that it would not spread within the state as it did in China. It was magical thinking by Trump, his supporters and many of us in the States that the virus could have been contained outside the US with a China's travel ban. Go back to his earlier thought and you see him praising how awesome a job China was doing. His thought at the time is that China will do the work for the US at containing this. Since China failed he's now very very mad at them, and politically, he's trying to get the US public into the same emotion.

    His initial failure is betting on China to contain and not plan for it being here and spreading here. When that spread happen, he was too slow to realize and downplayed the problem. By the time he realized (it's not just a flu), it was already too late. If the States didn't act sooner than him (many did, many cities did), we would have a much much bigger issue now.

    Logically, if China and WHO are primarily responsible for not being able to contain a virus that was relatively much more unknown at the time, then it is even more responsible that the US failed to contain or more correctly, mitigate the harm of a virus that was relatively much more known. We don't have to guess at this as the fact is that many countries have so far been able to contain / mitigate much better.

    Harmful politic aside, the truth is with this virus and with the current level of technology and ability each country have at detection and with global transportation, there was no way this virus could have been contained in Wuhan and not spread outside of it. It’s why everyone, including the US, say not if but when the next pandemic hit and it’s why there will still be a next one after this. If you really want to stop this right when and where it started, you have to have a completely different system that is much more sensitive and responsive - we got nothing like that. Personally I think that's possible and it require extensive funding and global leadership, preferably spread-headed from the US. When Biden is elected in Nov, I hope his admin makes this a priority - have a proactive global system instead of defensive and reactive.
     
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    It's certainly fair to criticize WHO. It is certainly fair to criticize them for trusting the PRC. If the argument is that the WHO is in the pocket of the PRC why is that then? International organizations rely upon the support of member countries. If one country isn't going to support them as much while another country steps in the country that does contribute more will get more sway. The US has been stepping back its role as a global leader. This has been happening before Trump but he has accelerated this process. Also he specifically has been questioning the value of global institutions. The US has been ceding much of the global stage so it shouldn't be surprising then that the PRC is happy to step in.

    If we are so concerned about the PRC influencing global institutions perhaps we shouldn't just be pulling back, and giving the PRC more influence, but to countering them.
     
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    Exactly. China should step in and pick up the US tab. The Moron in Chief can't even see this. All is seen in whatever he and possibly his political advisors (if any bc why wd the world's smartest man need any?) think will play in November 2020.
     
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    Because, doctors are only interested in doing business with china?

     
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    That's what China will do. Conceding more power to China is basically the result. If you aren't happy with WHO preference to China, wait till China fund them primarily.
     
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    The Huge Cost of Waiting to Contain the Pandemic
    As the numbers show, the timing of social distancing can have an enormous impact on death tolls.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/opinion/covid-social-distancing.html
     
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    Donate we contribute more than any other country to WHO? Why do they echo the state news from China?
     
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    hey you guys know where I can find february?
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    Sometime I don't know if you are serious or just trolling. You are smarter than this. They don't.. they have problems, but they aren't echoing China's propaganda.
     
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    fwiw: Country contributions are based on a formula, which tries to assess load on W.H.O. by the country. We're #1, because we have the highest calculation, not because we made a decision.

    furtther fwiw: Trump lied about our $ numbers, and China's $ numbers. He was $200m over for us, and like $80-100m low for China. just further proof how sad it is we have to fact check everything he says.
     
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    Let me know when WHO criticizes China at all.
     
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    Well, I know the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is in cahoots with the chinese...

     
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