My point is that to those Bernie supporters "anyone but Trump" isn't enough to get their vote. Many have come right out and said they wont vote for Biden and when you look at their platforms , its easy to understand why. For Biden to reel in some or most of those voters - He must take on some parts of Bernie's platform ..... Or he's not getting them. The big ticket items probably being M4A and free college / debt forgiveness - He's got to add some part of that to his platform or he can't expect to get those voters. Orange man bad isn't enough for them.
Who exactly sole answer is to get rid of Trump? It's laughable to say Biden is no more going to give Bernie voters what they desire than Trump is. You are just all over the place and starting to show your true colors.
Politics is not a zero sum game nobody gets everything they want. I see you are now trotting out conservatives talking points that make little sense. 2 weeks ago you where railing against Bernie now you are white knighting his supporters. What's up with that?
Aye! - IPAMAN I've been on record, Biden would need a female VP who's aligned with Bernie for my vote. I could convince myself that my vote is for historical progress not for Biden. I WILL NOT vote for Biden and nothing else. Fack that, would be a waste and disgrace imo.
I'm not trotting out conservative talking points - I'm being realistic. My position hasn't changed at all. I'll be voting for Biden as long as Kamala isn't his running mate. I'm still against Bernie's platform. That doesn't mean I can't take a step back and look at things from another perspective. What I am saying is that Biden and Bernie are miles apart on policy in general. Bernie is no Democrat - He's a socialist. He runs on the Dem ticket because he has no other viable avenue to win the nomination. Bernie supporters aren't Democrats in general - they are much further left. If they aren't getting any of their platform - why should they vote for Biden. They send a stronger message in staying home than they do in joining the moderates / Democrats. You want our votes , we want something in return.
They could and the cost of that might be another four years of Trump including replacing RBG with a 40 year old combination of Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork.
It’s just dumb and immature for them to do that though. It in no way guarantees a Sanders type would get elected after trump. Bernie will be far too old (plus having been twice unsuccessful) to win the nomination in 2024. So what, would they be demanding an AOC nomination (I actually don’t think she’d be old enough). Who else is there? What other champion is there? The party is creeping farther left each cycle. They can only realistically achieve some goals with Biden and dem majority. It’s all for nothing if trump wins again. I just view it as childish or naive rather than making a statement
Let me guess - I'm a Trump supporter all the sudden huh ? We'd all get along better if we tried to look at things from the other perspective which was what I was doing here. Then the Dem party needs to find a way to reel those people in. That's been my point all along .... Throw them a bone or don't expect them to come to your aid.
I think Biden will do something to reel in the Sanders wing. He's already promised to nominate a woman for VP and a black woman for USSC. He's already talking a lot along the lines of the Green New Deal. As I've said before this idea that Biden isn't that Progressive just shows how far our politics have become. He was to the left of Obama on several issues.
He doesn't need to do anything. The Bernie crew will fall in line mostly. He will pick an optics candidate like Harris who is a minority and a woman... a diversity hire basically. And some will vote for it and fall for it and others who see through it will write in Mickey mouse or just stay home **** posting.
Also for the record. I am supporting Biden specifically because I am anti-Trump. I hear y'all about the issues with Biden. I've been annoyed by the guy since the Robert's hearings. I can't stand his folksy act, his weird rambling stories about Cornpop, Malarky and his questionable relationship with the truth. "I swear as a Biden I'm telling the truth!" I agree to he is just creepy at times.. Compared to Mr. Grab em by the p***y and "a lot of people are saying..." Biden's weaknesses pale in comparison. Personal gaffe's aside I agree Hunter Biden is a greedy idiot who profited off of his family name. The Trump kids are greedy idiots profiting off of their family name who their father put into government positions with wide ranging portfolios including foreign policy even as they do business with Saudi Arabia, The Emirates and the PRC. Hunter Biden was bad. This is La Familia Trump intertwining their business interests with the power of he presidency. When I voted on Super Tuesday I spent a several minutes deciding who I was going to vote for. I was going to vote for Klobuchar but since she dropped out the night before I hesitated, I was going to vote for Bloomberg, heck I was even going to vote for Andrew Yang.. In the end I made the Varys (from Game of Thrones) decision and decided that voting for Biden was for the good of the realm.
If it turns out Trump wins because Bernie bro voted for him or did not vote, so be it. All have been said, everyone knows what Trump is doing. Trump is doing more to damage the future of this country than present, if young people feel that is fine, MAGA!
Of course you don’t think Sanders agenda was rejected. Few ideological voters do because it calls into question the very basis of fighting for their beliefs.
I explained why I disagree, and you reply with basically “lolofcourse” instead of addressing the points I made. I do believe the average American, (not just dem Voter) does support Bernie’s agenda more then Biden’s. For the reasons I listed in the post you quoted. Your “of course that’s what you believe” doesn’t really challenge any of that. And if I were wrong on that, it would also be okay. That’s just my take from seeing some polling data, and from making assumptions based on the demographics of America. If I’m wrong there I guess I just need a new formula for those types of predictions lol. Regardless of where Americans currently stand on progressivism, I will be fighting the same fight. I can see statistics, I see other countries, I see where I would like the future to be for our people.
Worst thing to happen to GOP, Trump (destroying the party from inside). Worst thing to happen to Democrats : Bernie (cost Democrats one election and potentially another).
People dont vote on policies and agenda. They vote in "electability" especially now during the Trump era.
Just to be clear, I believe you should fight for what you believe in and as I have said before it is likely only a matter of time until America moves towards some (if not much) of what Sanders advocates. My reasoning being that much of Sanders support is younger voters and enough Gen X voters to be viable. Concerning the popularity of Sanders plan, almost everyone wants what he is offering because it is more “stuff”, the problem is people have serious concerns about the 100 trillion dollar price tag (over 10 years) and the consequences of radically changing the role of government and the economy.
Well people have eyes. Only developed country to not have universal healthcare and paid leave for maternity. Stuff people tend to deeply need. Stuff some people might take for granted, not feeling urgance and importance of the universal aspect, due to personally being covered. Many highly developed countries have guaranteed paid leave for sickness and vacation as well. Many have universal childcare programs. Many have tuition free college. Many have much better stances on climate change. So we see this, we know other countries are able to pay for its stuff somehow, we see we have an incredible price tag and debt mounted without getting stuff, we see questions of “how are you going to pay for it” CONSISTENTLY go out the window for wars, tax cuts, big business subsidies, bailouts, but the second we want to address improving life for the poor and working class some suddenly shutter into a defense stance, we want some paid maternity leave because hey our infant mortality numbers are abysmal and this sets women back, we want universal healthcare because hey we have millions uninsured, tens of thousands needlessly die yearly, life expectancy is ****, and for some it’s always “Slow the **** down buckaroo we can’t afford that” even though somehow, the rest of the developed world found out how to afford the stuff decades ago. America used to have a “we are #1, nothing we can’t do” attitude, somehow we have fallen into a very sad state of helpless cucks who can’t fathom accomplishing some basic and incredibly important social programs. I don’t think the people have changed too much, it’s just the political discourse which isn’t such a great representative of the average person. I think most people have less of the “how are we going to pay for it” attitude, certainly many in the upper class attuned to politics will have that viewpoint, but it’s my belief that the majority of people have a “We’re getting ****ed so the rich can get richer” attitude. Which is an assumption I make off of both personal experience, and demographics.
Don't know what you actually support but your argument makes no sense. I think it's lunacy to say Bernie supporters would not get anything from a Biden election and it shows you don't have a good grasp of what is in his platform. Your perspective is very skewed and you forget that one of theoriggest talking points from Bernie supporters was that they knew Bernie would not get exactly what he wanted and would have to compromise, so now they should not vote because they will not get exactly what they want? Yes I am still still looking at you side eye because of others that have went before you and love to think they are doing some kind of long con, if I am wrong my bad but I really don't understand the reasoning of your argument.
