Like I said, it's fine to disagree with debt relief. My issue was people telling others that because they made sacrices and choices and aren't crushed by debt that if only others learned how to make choices they would all be fine. Nobody has to go to college but almost everyone would be better off for having an education including receptionists, law enforcement officers etc. College should be more about bettering oneself as opposed to job training.
Its just a fact that some people face hardships others don't .... and it aint fair but that's just how life is and you can't fix it for everyone. And I don't disagree that it would be nice if "everyone cold be educated" .... my point is that we (Employers) want people to spend another 4 years in school leaning **** that has nothing at all to do with their job duties just because there is a false belief that these are better employee's because they spent those 4 years learning irrelevant material. So we're asking these people to spend 4 years and many tens of thousands of dollars just to get a "middle class" job. It makes absolutely no sense to me that someone needs to spend the same amount of time and money on continued education to get those jobs as a chemical / nuclear / petroleum / aerospace / electrical / computer / mechanical engineer , architect or actuary who's career earnings are many times greater and that actually require specific training. All these people are just cluttering up the system and driving up the cost .... so they can become a dog catcher.
Well as an employer, you might want someone that had ways of adapting, solving problems, working with others, and have shown that. A college degree could help to show that. No matter the job, it is likely the potential employee has shown those skills if they graduated from college. It may not be the top qualification for all jobs but it does show something about the skill set and ability to work through tasks to completion etc.
Running for office is important and takes such a toll on the candidate, that once it looks like the race can't be won it must be incredibly hard to come to grips. So I understand the need for some time to reflect and ecover. But... a few weeks?
I could never support a candidate for president who responded to a polite question with a such a seething, violent response.
Bernie - I'm dealing with a f*cking crisis, is this enough to keep me busy? Biden - I'm d-d-d-ealing with a crisis you f*ck, but I'm not too busy to kick your ass Jack!
Bernie had time for a debate too. Really bad form to mock Joe's stutter, but I guess personal attacks are all the Bernie bros have left after such a devastating rejection of their agenda.
I think the form was flawless KC, I think that post deserves a like from you. The stutter and jack were adding his mannerisms so you can read it as he talks. It's like adding a " *SNIFF* believe me folks" after any sentence to bring the realism of Trump's mannerism to text. I do it with Bernie too "DO I think I was attacking Joe? No I don't think so. Look, Joe is a friend of mine, but if you LOOK AT HIS RECORD, I think you will FIND... he does happen to stutter at a dispositional rate to the VAST majority of Americans today" Plus, I have a minor stutter my self. I don't think Bernie's agenda is what was rejected so hard, but more so Bernie himself, at least in comparison to Joe. Favoritism of Joe's perceived electability, perception of him being the "safe candidate" due to the perception of how moderatism will fair in a general. Almost every exit poll done shows over half of the voters support a government-controlled healthcare plan (M4A) over keeping private insurance, almost all of the polls have Bernie winning over half of the "Candidate you agree with the most on the issues", but Joe smashes just Bernie on "ability to beat Trump". So even amongst the voter demographic, which I don't believe that is entirely representative of the average American (which is not in Bernie's favor), over half the voters approve of Bernie's agenda more so then Bidens, even in states that Bernie was BLOWN out badly in. As I've said for a long time, most people don't vote purely from an ideological standpoint, there are external factors like momentum and perceived electability that vastly affect how people vote.
You are sounding more and more like a Trump supporter when defending Biden. The broad brush accusations and also making disingenuous worse case interpretations of what someone types to further your point. Also, for many Democrats, they aren't voting for Biden because they reject Bernie's ideas. They are voting for Biden over Bernie because Democrat voters have a habit of thinking about moderate Republicans and how they might vote when deciding their primary candidate which GOP primary voters hardly ever do. Same reason why many Democrat primary voters didn't vote for a women or a gay candidate because they feared that their Republican neighbor wouldn't vote for her or him. Pretty much the only reason Biden will be the nominee is because of the primary DNC voter thinking about their Republican friends.
Nah I don't agree with this. That's just a common rebuttal tactic that has nothing to do with Trump supporters as it's in no way specific to them.
It's something that people like us who despise Trump claim as a trait of Trump supporters. "Bernie Bros" is also sexist because it assumes all of his enthusiastic supporters are male. People like @KingCheetah will lash out at young voters in the general expecting their loyalty when Biden loses to Trump when he continues to insult them along with many of the more enthusiastic Biden supporters.
I think you're being a bit guilty of what you just accused KC of doing. I agree that the Berniebro thing is dumb. KC is a good dood. KC likes to troll.
I don't know him personally but that comment you made here would not make him a good poster. Don't know any poster who trolls who is considered a "good poster".
Are polling booths bigly rigged? Biden wins AZ, FL, IL. Young voters didn't show up again. This might be a ****ing crisis for Sanders.
“Bernie Bros” Isn’t sexist. No one assumes all his supporters are men. It’s an alliterative term that sounds catchy. I’m sure female Bernie bros call themselves Bernie Babes...or Bernie Bros sarcastically. No one cares and it’s being hyper-PC to assume it’s sexist
It's a derogatory term meant to belittle his supporters which is ironic because the very same people who use that term are also the very same people who get really easily offended by anonymous tweets. Just making a remark on the lack of principle.
I disagree that the term Bernie Bros is derogatory. The things said about them might be derogatory but that would be true if they called them 'hardcore Bernie supporters' or 'Supporters of Sanders'. Whatever term people used if it was followed by derogatory descriptions would then be deemed a derogatory label. That would go on and on until there were no words left. The terms themselves are not derogatory.
I agree with Sanders on the problems he identifies. I agree that we have big problems with healthcare, which is painfully obvious right now. I agree we have a big problems with the wealth gap. I agree we have big problems with the environment. I don't think most people who are supporting Biden actually don't think those are problems. Biden thinks those are problems. What I disagree with Sanders on are his solutions and particularly his style of pursuing those. I've found it interesting that many Sanders supporters have assured us that he will compromise once he gets into office. While that might happen if Sanders ever ends up President he's built his following and reputation on being uncompromising. His motto isn't "Let's get into office and we'll make compromise to make incremental changes.." It's "REVOLUTION!" Whenever I hear Sanders supporters saying he will make compromises it reminds me of Trump supporters in 2016 saying once Trump get's into office he will act with more decorum. I don't believe that Sanders is like Trump and I certainly would be many times more comfortable with a Sanders Presidency than what we have now. That said Sanders support is similarly built that he singularly can solve these problems. That his way is the only way because all the other candidates are wishy washy and will sell out the 99% or are already in the pocket of the 1%. It's somewhat disingenuous then to say that Sanders will compromise as a selling point. It also sets Sanders up for failure. Obama was considered a big liberal hope and in the 2008 primaries Obama was seen as the liberal choice who would strongly push a liberal agenda. Four years later you had many liberals including here on D&D expressing buyers remorse and through this election you have many liberals disparaging Obama. If Sanders were to win the presidency and then started compromising, such as passing something short of Medicare for All how are those pushing the Sanders' Revolution going to feel? I make no apologies for my criticism of Sanders and his followers. That said I think they represent an important part of the electorate and Sanders has moved the needle in the Democratic party and made ideas like Medicare for All and the Green New Deal legitimate. If this is the end of the 2020 Sanders' campaign he did a good job and if the rest of the Democrats had remained disunited Sanders might've won the nomination. While I personally would've supported, campaigned and even donated to him if he had won the nomination I'm glad that it's not going to come to that.
