No speech, no comments. no surrogates on tv stumping for him, no email about continuing the race... Might he really step out tomorrow?
CNN: Sanders adviser says "tonight was his path, it didn't happen." Further adds that Bernie does want to debate on Sunday. AOC said "No way to sugar coat..." that it was a bad night for Bernie. It's over. Step out.
Yeah , his "revolution" was pretty soundly rejected by the voters. Someone needs to explain that to AOC.
Ive lost a lot of respect for Moore over the last few weeks. He’s acted like a cult member instead of an insightful documentary film maker who used to do great pieces on difficult subjects. The man has become very stubborn, angry, and unpragmatic. Being passionate about Bernie shouldn’t come at a cost of becoming an ignorant a$$hat. If Bernie stays in the race it’ll be to stroke his own ego and placate to his fanboys. I’ve never seen a front runner become so unpopular in such a short period of time and if he stays in he’ll plummet to a new low when he could still be one of the most influential people in politics if he does the right thing but continues to keep his voice. If he stays in he’ll turn into Tulsi 2.0 without being a cool surfer. Take couple days to thank your fans and let’s get on with the business of getting this country’s sh$t together.
MSNBC says that Bernie's campaign has said they will go on to the debate and continuing campaigning in the upcoming states and will continue with their ads. I have to hope that's not true.
Of course he did. He’s been wrong about everything else about this election cycle and impeachment. Might as well get this what-to-do-now question wrong too.
I think Van Jones has been on point about Biden v Bernie. First That Bernie's supporters just aren't the majority. 35 and under isn't the majority of voters, but it should be clear where these voters would like to see the country go. Bernie isn't the guy, perhaps he's just too old and stubborn, but I doubt this is the end for him. He should drop out and then find someone to pass the torch to and focus on growing his coalition for the next progressive. Secondly I think this is important, something I've been saying all along. Give Bernie supporters a reason to come out and vote. Don't just assume they will do so, stop poking and prodding them and treating them like Trump supporters or that they are not needed. I'm starting to hear too way too much confidence from the left. Trump is not going to be easy to defeat and it is no sure thing.
Bernies actions in the coming weeks will tell me a lot about him. I really don't like either candidate...at all, but Bernie lost. He wasn't screwed, the support simply isn't there. He ran a campaign on his terms and he lost. It's time to circle the wagons and focus on getting the national embarrassment out of office. Any further attempts to cut down Biden is working against that goal.
I would hope getting rid of Trump would be the motivation for true progressives. If it's not, then nothing else really is going to drive them to the polls. Bernie certainly wasn't driving them to come out to vote. The people that keep saying this are the people that also said Bernie was going to expand the electorate and bring out young voters, and that Dems couldn't bring out the 2018 coalition without exciting people, and that Bernie was doing well with African Americasn, and that Iowa turnout was a sign of lack of enthuisiasm and on. They've been wrong every step of the way. Trump *is* relatively easy to beat with a moderate at the top of the ticket - certainly easier than with Bernie and his quickly shrinking mythology. And the Senate is now in play as well.
Why would it be? If Biden doesn't support M4A, Education Reform, or doesn't have a strong stance on the environment why would it matter to them? If nothing you desire isn't even in play then why support the party at all? This "Trump Bad" strategy was literally the same strategy in 2016. Maybe they come out and just vote for their senate races and congress races and write in Bernie. This would work out pretty well for them any ways, they get to hammer Trump for 4 more years and he gets little next to nothing passed. I get that 2018 was a victory, but that was 2018. That's like bragging about winning the first two games of a 7 game series. Still a lot to be done, now is not the time to go full Rockets and just casually play defense and launch threes because you are up by 20. I really don't think this will be that easy. You're underestimating a few things. The GOP is completely united. There are a few anti-trumpers left, but who knows if they are going to actually vote for a Democrat candidate. They are waiting for a reason not to and Mitch and boys will have provided that reason by November. All these people say they will vote for Biden now but watch how they cling to any little reason not to vote for him. All they need is an excuse not to do so and they will just sit home and proudly say they did not vote because they could not support either party. Look at many of the conservatives on this here forum or really most you talk to will say they just didn't vote for Trump at all but they could not bring themselves to vote for Clinton... As if Clinton was this horrible candidate. She had her 'emails' which was about it...now you have this other guy also from Obama's administration? Oh, I have no doubt that many of these 'moderates' are just waiting for their excuse to bail. I see it already, some of the same people saying the DNC should have nominated Biden are already going "Oh, not him, he has mental issues lol, can't be him. Won't vote for him." You are also underestimating that when it comes to suppressing votes in key areas the GOP has gotten pretty dang good at it. But really, I think if the strategy is to just run on "Trump Bad" just don't see it working. GOP tried this with Obama in 2012, play the safe candidate and hope that people just hated Obama enough to give their guy a chance. I don't understand what there is to argue here really. Either Biden tries to excite voters for voting for him which he has NOTHING to lose doing this, as you say, people hate Trump so much so what can it hurt? or Biden just does next to nothing, plays it super safe, and hopes Trump is hated enough to cruise to victory. So I really don't understand the argument against what Van Jones is saying here. There is nothing to lose from Biden trying to court more voters and unite the party, as you say, people hate Trump so much right? So they are going to vote for him anyways.
I think you are right and there is something to be said about proactive excitement. All Trump has to do is to be on a good behavior for a few weeks and just be entertaining (by chanting "finish the wall" during rallies), and boom, his base is excited and democrats lose any sense of urgency. This depends on whether we have a recession of course. Considering that no one seems to care about rampant deficits these days, Biden endorsing a more progressive idea probably wouldn't hurt. A younger VP somewhat left of his views would help as well. (Being young and smart would hopefully alleviate the optics of Biden looking old and running a campaign full of his usual gaffe-rich stump speeches).
Bernie wouldn’t compromise with reality. The best quote: “A revolution means nothing if you can’t win...”. That is what Black voters, Suburban - Educated voters, White-working class voters, are telling Bernie. America doesn’t want his brand of Socialism. They want the more measured approach of Obama. During the Obama Presidency, you had Gay marriage, weed being legalized movement taking root, and a foundation for better healthcare. You cannot radically change the USA by jarring it with policies. It has to steered steadily toward change. Conservative White people are afraid of change (you can see it through out US history), It has to be introduced in chunks they can digest and/or it has to be something that eventually appeals to their Better Angels (Civil Rights movement). That's what Democrat voters are saying in the Primaries. They understand what is needed to beat Trump.
Here’s motivation for Bernie voters to vote for Biden instead of Trump: In 2018 the most “Bernie 2.0” congressmen/women including AOC, Thalib, etc. were able to get elected because of two things: -Trump at the top of the ticket motivating the center AND left -A national campaign being run by the DNC/Pelosi etc. that was very much a Joe Biden policy campaign on protection the ACA. Believe it or not, but the progress you guys want might be a hell of a lot more likely in this election cycle with Joe Biden than with Bernie Sanders. But yes... Biden is still risky as a personality I get that. However you guys are missing the opportunity the country has to get a whole slew of new Bernies elected in November where as if Bernie was at the top of the ticket those new congressional seats would be a harder get. And if Trump wins, it’ll wipe out many liberal progressives in Congress in the process. Voting 3rd party to help Trump because you are mad about Bernie is 100% self defeating. It’s cutting off your nose to spite your face and you guys know it.
It all depends... if he stays in and if he starts to attack Trump more then it will work... But if he continues to attack Biden then you're correct... Also I do agree with Moore to allow every state to vote. T_Man
Who says that they shouldn’t be able to vote? Thousands of people worked their butts off for Bernie and they should feel more than happy to cast a ballot for him in a state like Arizona or Florida coming up. Bernie dropping out though wouldn’t deprive them of that. He’s still on the ballot regardless. It’s just a thought that it might not be the smartest thing for the goal of his bid (to remove Trump) if he’s going to spend millions campaigning against the guy who now actually has a chance at beating him when Bernie doesn’t. I guess I’m okay with him staying in the race if it’s mostly about him doing a fan tour essentially. If he’s just going to stay in to go negative on Biden to try and turn Americans against the guy who beat him then I think he’s going to get a huge backlash and essentially be Tulsi 2.0.
Y'all comfortable moderates and conservative don't get it. Sanders should stay in to the end. He is fighting to change the shitty system ) that Status Quo Joe has supported consistently for nearly 50 years which has t led us to a country that has Donald Trump as president. There is also the little thing of the planet, which Joe got a D- on from Greenpeace until shortly before he announced for president, Vicious conservatives are coming up through the ranks who will be Trump without the craziness and uncouth manners that angers some in the establishment.
What's the point of every state voting? I actually do not understand the process here - if Bernie suspend his campaign (that other lady still won't), what would happen? Do they stop voting all together? I think they still continue, right? With coronavirus spreading, I would prefer that they call it and be done with it instead of having lines of people packed together. Same for the GOP primaries.
