How much scared? @Yung-T was out in a pub celebrating that his neighbour was found positive. How about were you are daywalker? Are people taking precautions? From what I am following most europeans simply have no clue and go on as usual even against government orders. In France they had a festival dressing up as smurfs , in Spain hundreds of thousands of fans gather to celebrate their football team win, in the UK they are about to hold a horse race festival that gathers 1/4 million people. Even if the governments close down schools and churches and ban gatherings there is no point if people still gather in the thousands. I went to the doctor yesterday (who are the prime suspects to be infected since they see tens of sick people every day). Out of all the people waiting including many 80 year olds and cancer patients I, the youngest, was the only one wearing a mask and they were seeing me like I was an alien. I couldn't tell them I didn't want them to infect me so I had to tell that I was the sick one. Even in Italy right now in quarantined cities, people are going out walking their dogs and are doing family parties in their houses. Very few wear masks. Nothing will work like this.
The youth won't care. I see fewer people in the streets. Of course, washing my hands 5x more than normal. Life didn't change much though, I didn't go out a lot before the virus has hit the continent. I have a licence but I am not a car driver so I have to figure out how to effectively and rarely use the subway. I am prepared for the mild version of it, alas, nobody should be tested positive for the severe one. I hope they allow face masks, mouth protection soon. I am still not sure why Europeans are afraid of it.
Well if the youth wont care then most of the old will die. Europe as a whole has one of the oldest population in the world. Let there be a culling of the old so we also solve our retirement problem. Even if the strain that hits us mostly is the S mild one, it doesnt mean that the old will get it mildly. At this point the responsibillity isnt only in the government but also the media and scientists. For days scientists go on tv and say dont panic and just wash your hands. Downplaying like a flu. Really? In our doorstep there is a country in quarantine with hundreds of deaths each day with their healthcare system in the brink of collapse, and its only the beginning. Even the young ones will suffer if a healthcare system collapses. Because there will be no beds or doctors available then to treat our regular health issues.
Italy also chased Patient Zero for weeks.....they couldn't track down all the contacts of those sick, the history. I am not saying they did things wrong, but things went sideways for them fast. They waited for weeks without any measures.
Look "NO case of the coronavirus epidemic that is spreading in Italy has to do directly with China. The three sick people, two tourists and an Italian who returned from Wuhan, who became infected in that country, were in fact isolated and did not transmit the disease to anyone. There is further confirmation of the fact that Covid-19 had been circulating for some time in Italy when the problem in Codogno exploded and that the positives were already second or third generation sick in the epidemiological study published by the Higher Institute of Health taking account of the data up to 9 March, that is of 8,342 positive people at Covid-19." https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2...2478/?ref=RHPPTP-BH-I250908851-C12-P5-S2.4-T1 It is impossible for a touristic big country with many airports and ports to find all patient zero. In fact the patient zero will be many. Just an example. An asymptomatic infected from Wuhan, the real patient zero, travels in the beginning of January to Shanghai. There he infects 6 people. One of them "patient 1" travels to Germany in January 10. There he infects 6 people. One of them, "patient 3" travels to the UK in the beggining of February. There he infects 6 people. One of them "patient 4" travels on 10 February, to Italy. There he infects 6 people. He would be the patient zero of Italy but he is a UK resident a country that was in noones red list. He may seem perfectly healthy. There are millions of such chains everywhere. Patients zero can have unsuspecting travel histories and no symptoms. They could come from everywhere in the world. You can only try to detect some clusters to delay. Even South Korea with their hundreds of testings only yesterday discovered the cluster result of a completely different chain, now in Seoul. Most of their cases so far had been in Daegu from the cult cluster. Similar clusters could be going on at all parts of the country at this moment in time. Whats the failure of the Italians? They were one of the fist countries in the world that imposed travel bans from China. So what? Containment is futile only delay to save lives and save the healthcare system. And Delay except detections requires personal responsibilities. If in February everyone in Italy practiced regular hand washing, kept 1 meters distance and avoided gatherings the virus wouldn't have spread so much. Is it feasible? No. So it was almost inevitable what happened and the same will happen to us.
This wasn't even my opinion, news broadcasters said it. Nope, we have to disagree here unless you prove me wrong otherwise. Not every country will get hit hard like the Italians. I strongly believe it. Areas like Macao and Nepal.......all recuperated. Europe is neck deep in this, I admit.
To be fair, it was the neighboring town, not my direct apartment neighbor. Plus pub wasn't crowded. Only time I was out in one week, I usually follow the guidelines. But yea, the image of badly scared Germans is wrong. Of course there are some idiots buying food and toilet paper that would last for months, but most people still go on with their life routine. Only thing ppl do less are mass events (cinema, concerts, festivals etc), which is the sensible measure.
Macao probably everyone wears masks (I have no clue) and had the strict measures like the rest of China? And Nepal how many visitors they get each day? It is much more feasible to contain when you are small with controlled arrivals. Taiwan and Singapore and Hong Kong (as long their flight bans are kept) will probably able to contain it as well and only be careful of flowbacks. Iceland too which has many infections if they impose strict control measures are also well positioned to contain it. For the rest of us the only solution is delay delay delay and save the most vulnerable lives we can and our hospitals.
I thought so. At least the public at least follows the government bans and don't gather in huge groups, that's something.
yeah and Turkey has 1. Their scientists appointed it to the turkish genes. What do you think is going on? The virus is spreading unimpeded everywhere until it starts hitting hard. Anyway ..at this point, each of us should be responsible and try to save the vulnerable. We cant and shouldn't expect from the government to solve this, we have to partake and do our duty for our fellow people. Lock your parents in if they are over 60s and throw your 80+ y.o grandparents in a room with no human contact for 1 month. Sounds harsh and inhumane? The virus doesnt care for your sensibillities.
Just spoke to one of my friends in China. He seems to think that all of China except for the Hubei Province are doing very well. I asked about who it seemed to affect most due to what we are seeing here with the elderly. He said many young people died too, so don’t sleep on that info.
China is donating to Italy 2 million masks, 50.000 test kits, 20.000 protective suits , 1000 ventilators and is also sending over a team of doctors and scientists with medicine.
Another chinese doctor has gone public. The CCP censors are deleting her interview from the web and she has dissappeared. "If I had known what was to happen, I would not have cared about the reprimand. I would have ****ing talked about it to whoever, where ever I could,” she said in the interview. On 30 December, after seeing several patients with flu-like symptoms and resistant to usual treatment methods, Ai received the lab results of one case, which contained the word: “Sars coronavirus.” Ai, reading the report several times, says she broke out into a cold sweat. She circled the words Sars, took a photo and sent it to a former medical school classmate, now a doctor at another hospital in Wuhan. By that evening, the photo had spread throughout medical circles in Wuhan, where it was also shared by Li Wenliang, becoming the first piece of evidence of the outbreak. That night Ai said she received a message from her hospital saying information about this mysterious disease should not be arbitrarily released in order to avoid causing panic. Two days later, she told the magazine, she was summoned by the head of the hospital’s disciplinary inspection committee and reprimanded for “spreading rumours” and “harming stability”. The staff were forbidden from passing messages or images related to the virus, she said. All Ai could do was ask her staff to wear protective clothing and masks – even as hospital authorities told them not to. She told her department to wear protective jackets under their doctor coats. “We watched more and more patients come in as the radius of the spread of infection became larger,” she said, as they began to see patients with no connection to the seafood market, believed to be the source of the first cases. Meanwhile, Chinese officials were still insisting there was no reason to believe the virus was being passed between people. “I knew there must be human to human transmission,” Ai said. On 21 January, the day after Chinese officials finally confirmed there was human to human transmission of the virus, the number of sick residents coming to the emergency room had already reached 1,523 in a day – three times the normal volume. In the interview, Ai described moments that she will never forget: an elderly man staring blankly at a doctor giving him the death certificate of his 32-year-old son, or a father who was too sick to get out of the car outside of the hospital. By the time she walked to the car, he had died. Once, when she arranged for the transfer of a man’s mother-in-law to in-patient care, the man took a moment to thank Ai. The mother-in-law died upon arrival. “I know it was only a few seconds but that ‘thank you’ weighs heavily on me. In the time it took to say this one sentence, could a life have been saved?” Over the last two months, Ai said she has also seen many of her colleagues fall sick and four die from the virus. One of those was Li Wenliang, whose death prompted an unprecedented wave of national anger and mourning. Early on during the outbreak, public security officials in Wuhan said eight people had been punished for “spreading rumours”. It is not clear if Li was one of those and Ai said her reprimand came from her hospital. Still, several friends have asked Ai if she was one of those whistleblowers. “I am not a whistleblower,” Ai told Renwu. “I am the one who provided the whistle.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities
