Rallies don't mean a lot once you've told your supporters someone isn't qualified to be President and you've said the DNC cheated you out of the race.
Sanders contrary to most modern primary opponents didn't call for supporting the ultimate winner by acclimation at the convention. Leading up to the convention Sanders and his supporters continued to spar with the Clinton camp over a variety of things. Contrast that to 2008 when even though Clinton got much closer to Obama in votes and delegates than Sanders did to Clinton, Clinton still worked with Obama to smooth things over before the convention and personally stopped the roll call of the states to call for Obama to win by unanimous acclimation. Sanders certainly campaigned for and supported Clinton in the general. It wasn't as full throated as previous primary opponents had and given that right after the election he went back to not being a Democrat does show that he really wasn't in it to support Clinton or the Party.
And what about labeling people who support Bernie with derogatory terms such as "Bernie Bros" or saying that "he's like Trump" or he's "naive" or "divisive". Stop being butthurt about primary poo flinging. All candidates throw poo at each other. You seem to just care about one of them doing it.
Look at his concession speech, with Hillary standing next to him while he uses 2 sentences in a 2200 word speech to “endorse” her. Then look at her concession speech to Obama in 2008. It was 4 days after Obama essentially became the Democratic nominee. She didn’t require him to stand next to him. Start at the 7 minute mark. The difference is amazing. Do that and then get back to me. I’ve posted that before. It’s easy to find online. Obama had 1/10th of one percent more of the popular vote than Ms Clinton in 2008. Clinton, in contrast, had 3,000,000 more votes than Sanders in 2016, yet he waited a month to endorse her. I have an obsession with the Democratic Party defeating trump in November. I don’t want a rerun of 2016 in 2020. If you can’t understand that, I can’t explain it to you. I give up. Pretend you “won.” Oh, and I just saw your reply to @rocketsjudoka. Your post was the height of ignorance. With all respect due.
You treat this like a sports team competition. He didn't "support the party"?!?? Who gives a ****? What common American gives a flying ****? And I'm sorry but calling Biden a liberal when he voted for the Iraq war and openly defended Bush Jr in the invasion is the furthest thing from being liberal. This two party system and the loyalty people demand from it will be the end of this country. It makes people not have any introspective qualities of the positions they hold.
Correct. Even Sanders big Michigan mid primary upset in 2016 came on a night when he lost ground in total delegates. At that time though everybody was so bored of the idea of Hillary as the inevitable nominee and of her overall it was enough for him to spin the narrative. Plus the silly specter of the superdelegates - which went from nightmarish bogeymen to the sole reason that Sanders cited to stay in after he was effectively eliminated
Yes you certainly do have an obsession with treating the governance of our country like a sporting event.
I don’t follow sports in D&D. I have a team I follow called the Rockets and I post about them in the GARM. The person making sports analogies is you. You’re wasting my time doing so.
I don't recall Hillary doing that in 2016. You first asked how Bernie wasn't helpful. Now you say he didn't need to be and "who gives a ****"? There's your answer.
And I said you are wasting my time. I don’t spend one minute thinking about the DNC. That would be you.
40 ****ing rallies. Keep on shifting goal posts to pedantic claims of not having the exact words that you expected coming out of Bernie's mouth.
Actually, based on the last three years, this language should score well with dip$hit-in-chief supporters.
Stop treating the primary like an F1 race with strawmen driving the cars through moving goalposts that creates an unfair advantage for billionaires.
I think this is part of it and some of it is also a recognition of the need to not only beat Trump, but put out a ticket that Senate candidates in more winnable moderate states (Maine, Arizona, Montana, Colorado) can run with. Sanders would absolutely destroy any chance that exists of winning back the Senate as moderate candidates would either have to openly run against the platform at the top of the ticket or attach themselves to a Democratic Socialist lead balloon. I want the Bernie fans to know that I personally like Bernie. I think he is angry about a lot of right things. But he hasn’t shown that he can grow his base at all over the last four years. He is losing 70-80% of the African American vote. The youth bloc isn’t turning out enough to to counter the losses among black voters or suburban white voters who helped flip the House in 2018. Are these trends over two primaries not enough to convince you that now, in the face of another four years of Trump and every indignity this administration has put us through, the stakes are too high to gamble on Bernie?
Sanders chose to run twice as a Democrat and he continues to caucus with them so yes he is on team Democrat. Apparently he gave enough of a flying *** to join team Democrat rather than run as an Independent, the American Socialist Party, or Green. and Sanders voted for the 1994 crime bill, has voted several times against gun control including 5 times against the Brady Bill. Does that mean he isn’t a liberal either? Yet the candidate that you strongly support, that you are defending still chose to run for the Democratic Party nomination even though he wasn’t a Democrat. If you don’t like the two party system you can support someone else’s. I’ve spent most of my adult life not just as a voter but as a party activist in the MN Independence Party and currently the politician I most admire is Rep. Justin Amash who left the Republican Party because he couldn’t support Trump.
There isn't really anything inherently liberal about gun control. This is such empty rhetoric on two fold: 1. Damn if you do and damn if you don't. Since most Bernie supporters are typically Democrat voters, if Bernie ran as a third party, then we would hear b****ing from the likes of you how Bernie spoiled the general election by eating away at potential Democrat votes. Remember how much **** Nader got. 2. Asking someone to successfully win the presidency without using one of the two parties is equivalent to telling someone to take down Google by creating their own search engine. It would be amazing if principled people applied their disdain for monopolies dominating entire sectors of commerce to our electoral system.
Barrack Obama.... the most liberal progressive president we’ve had since LBJ or FDR picked Joe Biden as his VP twice and trusted him to take on some of his most important agenda items in his 8 years. Is he as liberal as Bernie.... no... but the primaries have proven to be completely nutso when people start trying to convince half of the party that Joe Biden is the next Dick Cheney. He’s far from perfect but the guy has sure earned the trust of a good amount of Americans and would make a good president to transition the country out of a national nightmare even if the job is just to transition and not necessarily to revolutionize the country. That’s not the point of Joe Biden. The point is to get the job done. Let’s all hope him and his campaign have what it takes this next 7 months. It’s going to be a rough ride for sure.
He literally chose Joe because he would appeal to the blue dog Democrats since he had self awareness to know he wasn't a tradional candidate and needed a old white moderate Dem to appeal to the "but his middle name is Hussein" Democrats. It had literally nothing to do with Joe having progressive tendencies.
