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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Deckard

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    Idiot. Have a bad day.
     
  2. RocketsLegend

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    How many of those 16 in Washington lived in the nursing home?
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    "The Virus and the Economy":

    https://www.city-journal.org/coronavirus-and-the-economy

    The Virus and the Economy
    Widespread quarantines and shutdowns of industries have human costs, too.
    Steven Malanga
    March 8, 2020

    The spread of the coronavirus has led to fears of a worldwide economic slowdown. China, where the virus first leaped into the human population, has quarantined large sections of the country, virtually shutting down economic activity. In South Korea, several companies—including the automaker Hyundai—closed facilities when workers there tested positive for the virus. The Italian government, meantime, has shuttered schools and universities and banned public attendance at sporting events—including the nation’s popular soccer league—for 30 days. Such responses, likely to spread to other countries as the virus itself travels, have led to estimates that containment efforts could cut worldwide economic growth in half this year. Whether that prediction proves accurate, or whether the toll proves even worse, may depend on how the economic impact of the virus plays out in the United States, the world’s largest and most consequential economy.

    The U.S. has already taken several basic steps to stem the spread of the virus, including suspending flights from China and quarantining those returning from areas of the world where the infection is most intense. But as the virus spreads, officials contemplate stricter measures. These include banning public gatherings such as concerts, movies, and sports events; advising businesses to keep workers home; or even shutting down firms where the virus is detected.

    It might be easy to justify such draconian measures based on the toll that the coronavirus can take on society. But what’s also worth contemplating is the human toll that a potentially sharp decline in economic activity would exact. While the simplest way to measure an economy may be in dollars and cents, economic activity also produces well-being. A decline in the economy sparks deterioration in public welfare. Those are human costs that must be measured against the inevitable cost of the virus itself. Extended school closures, for example, place a burden on employed parents, who must miss long periods of work; on households living paycheck-to-paycheck; and on the self-employed.

    The current economic expansion, more than a decade old, demonstrates the salutary impact of good times. U.S. unemployment rates have plunged to such low levels that the demand for workers has started luring back the chronically unemployed—people who drop out of the workforce—into the labor market. One result is that the labor-participation rate, which had slid by several percentage points over 15 years, has sharply rebounded in the past four years. Companies now desperate for employees have extended their employment search to new markets, hiring the disabled and the long-term unemployed, and investing heavily in retraining out-of-work, but willing, job seekers.

    This robust employment picture makes a sharp contrast with the American labor situation after the financial meltdown and recession of 2008 and 2009. As unemployment rates soared into double digits, businesses failed, individual finances deteriorated, and associated health problems began to proliferate. Research published last year in Clinical Psychological Science found that people who lost their jobs, watched their savings evaporate, or struggled to keep their homes suffered long-term psychological effects, including debilitating periods of anxiety and depression. Unemployment, the most human measure of economic failure, carries especially harsh consequences. According to a 2014 Gallup poll, the unemployed were twice as likely to say that they were depressed as those with jobs. Those without a job for a year were in even worse shape; they were twice as likely as those unemployed for only a month to say that they were depressed. Suicide rates also track with economic decline: as unemployment rises, so do suicides. Those out of work are also twice as likely to abuse drugs as those employed full-time. Divorce rates for the unemployed are similarly double the average for those with jobs. Economic decline doesn’t paint a happy human picture.

    The problem: no easy ways exist to balance the economic cost of efforts to contain the virus with the toll that the virus itself takes on society. We still don’t know enough about the virus because we lack adequate information, including about such crucial factors as how deadly it really is and who it affects. Even the experts have disagreed. In recent days, growing evidence suggests that our approach should be surgical, rather than broad-based. Widespread quarantines and wholesale shutdowns of communities, for example, inevitably suppress the economy. Instead, we should focus our efforts on helping those overwhelmingly more vulnerable to the virus.

    Harvard Medical School professor Jeremy Samuel Faust, writing recently in Slate, argues that the latest data suggest the coronavirus is far less deadly than previously thought—something we have discovered in the aftermath of previous epidemics, such as the 2009 H1N1 flu outbreak, where the actual mortality rate turned out to be one-tenth what was first reported. Increasingly, it seems that the coronavirus commonly takes a mild form, and that severe cases are especially rare among the young. The most vulnerable population is the elderly. One recent report in Italy found that the average age of those who had died in the country was 80. On the Diamond Princess, the cruise ship that was quarantined, 705 people tested positive for the virus, and six died—all were over 70. These rates are consistent with what we know about the flu. Every year, as many as 80 percent to 90 percent of those who die from seasonal influenza are elderly, many with health problems that the infection worsens.

    “This all suggests that COVID-19 is a relatively benign disease for most young people, and a potentially devastating one for the old and chronically ill, albeit not nearly as risky as reported,” Faust writes. “In particular, we need to focus on the right people and the right places. Nursing homes, not schools. Hospitals, not planes.”

    The biggest worry is that, in the general panic over the coronavirus—as healthy young people rush out to stockpile supplies and governments shut down soccer games—we’ll fail to direct our efforts where they are most needed. “What worries me the most is that people are going to be so panicked they will overwhelm the health-care system and push to the side people who really do need medical attention,” said Paul Offitt, a physician and infectious-disease expert at the University of Pennsylvania, in a recent interview. He noted that we’ve already seen probably 18,000 deaths this year in America from the flu, yet we’re far more terrified of coronavirus. “Maybe we need to give influenza virus a scarier name.” Many of those who die of flu reside in nursing homes, yet our efforts to protect them are sometimes wanting. Key personnel can be untrained in how to recognize or handle infectious diseases among the elderly. According to the Centers for Disease Control, more than 30 percent of staff who work in nursing homes don’t get vaccinated themselves, making them potential transmitters of the flu. Five patients have already died of coronavirus at a long-term-care facility in Seattle that previously had been cited for inadequate infection-control measures—suggesting that we’re making the same mistakes with coronavirus that we make with the flu.

    It can be hard making good public policy when accurate information is so scarce. In the U.S., we’ve been fortunate so far, in part because of our distance from the initial outbreak and in part because of how early measures, like banning flights from China, have slowed the progress of the virus here. But we should pay close attention to how some of the more extreme measures to shut down public activity in places like Italy play out. It’s tempting to see such bans as the safest route to take in an emergency—and in some circumstances, they may be—but we can’t ignore the human cost of a widespread economic shutdown.
     
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    Let us put the blame rightly towards the perpetrator: China or the ChiCom Party bastards. China is not a legitimate nation, they don’t play by any rules, time and time again, it had been proven as such. The whole world needs to ban together to fight this modern plague of the 21st century known as the CCP. If we don’t act soon, WuhanFlu will seem like a minor nuisance compared to the next cootie coming out of China.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    There seems to be legit scientific evidence that this virus is man-made.
     
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    Chinese population control.
     
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    Sauce? I don't keep up with the news, but this piques my interest.
     
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    Your virus of racism is severe . was that from China or your parents butthole?
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    If this is true, was it just a clumsy error that it was released? Or rather if it were deliberate, what would China's motivation be for this?
     
  11. LosPollosHermanos

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    How so ? Conaviruses have been around long before the recognition this has gotten. Viruses that cause upper respiratory infections are known to mutate rapidly. I definitely think biological warfare is a thing, but this would not be a valid example in my opinion. Sure its easily spread, but it has a low mortality.
     
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    why are you so offended? Its an objective overview, its well known that bats and other species mentioned are reservoirs for hosts of human diseases.
     
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    I apologize that I cannot go into more detail, and it is absolutely not certain, and there are many legitimate experts who dispute it. Just to say that the only level 4 biosafety lab in China is in Wuhan.
     
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    *Puts tinfoil hat on*

    The virus is disproportionately killing the elderly and sick at a relatively high rate(15-20%), and rarely kills those under 40 (0.2%), and hasn't killed any children 9 and under. Generally, this is thought to be a very good thing for countries with aging populations. The old and sick cost society a lot of money, aren't bringing a ton of value to the economy.
     
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    Spoken like a true mainland operative and China apologist. Your BS will not work, pulling that race card will no longer work. Your Lord and Savior Winnie Xi Jinping The Pooh is the modern Mao and a true satan to the Chinese people as well as non Chinese. It was those bastards CCP who tried to cover up this plague from the start by muzzled anyone that tried to speak up. As long as I have breath in me, I will fight your evil CCP empire. More death and destruction will come from these commie bastards. WNBA, get your sorrry CCP ass out of this forum you piece of shiet.
     
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  17. generalthade_03

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    He’s offended because he’s a stinking paid mainland operative. There are literally an army of them just like this *******, ready to drop the hammer on anyone who dares criticizing his CCP.
     
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    Down the street from the market where it first appeared...seems plausible.
     
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    I've heard third hand from a doctor in China that it was caused when a lab specimen they were working on was taken out of the lab and eaten alive.
     
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