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Nah the over whelming vast majority in the USA and Western Europe will be fine unless the virus mutates. There are also still many advantages the West has over places like Iran. This isn’t the end of the world or close to it.
The overwhelming majority will be fine everywhere in the world. This virus is kind. It leaves the children and the young alone so it can't be the end of the world. But I am horrified by the mortality rates of the over 60s. 5% for 60s 10% for 70s 20% for 80s. This data comes from study on the DP cruise ship where everyone was rich (so didn't have unchecked existing condition like unchecked high blood pressure, unchecked HIV, unchecked diabetes) and got the best medical care of Japan. There is also a very real possibility that the strain in Italy is different than the one in China. This story was in the beginning of the Italian outbreak https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...een-in-italy-for-weeks-before-it-was-detected "The claim follows laboratory tests that isolated a strain of the virus from an Italian patient, which showed genetic differences compared with the original strain isolated in China and two Chinese tourists who became sick in Rome." Now the alpha characteristic of viruses is mutation. The Covid-19 since the 4-5 months since it's jump to humans has already mutated into two strains, the L and S It remains to be seen if the genetic differences in Italy signify a new strain or are simple mutations. However the outbreak so far paint a very alarming picture. In Egypt, and Israel the number of infected are probably same or more than Italy. But there aren't so many deaths piling up each day.
I understand all that but it isn’t the end of the world as the media is portraying in the USA. The Trump administration deserves substantial criticism for their lack of funding, preparation and handling of the threat thus far. He will pay the price in November if the virus becomes more than a nuisance for most Americans. Because of my wives background and my job, I am friends with a number of people that are connected to the CDC or are physicians and they are not nearly as concerned as the media. They believe in general that they will have the resources needed to combat it but are essentially treating it as a second flu.
The 10-30x death rate, the hospitalization rate, and the reports of potential permanent lung damage make this significantly more serious than the flu. It's not the end of the world, but it's not just a 2nd flu either. The panic is understandable if there are projections for this to kill millions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-care-facility-connected-coronavirus-n1152306 NBC story about "the ground zero" for the American coronavirus epicenter: A day after President Donald Trump said "anybody who wants a test gets a test," Life Care Center does not have enough test kits for the remaining 63 residents, Killian said. "We have more coming," he said. @Nook, what are your CDC friends estimating as far as mortality rate is that they consider it to be just another flu?
It may not be the end of the world but it may be the end of family members in risk group. My parents for example. I don't see how I can be calm and treat it like a flu when I see things like that. For the CDC they may be just statistics but for me they aren't. They are my loved ones and they are under 10% risk of death. How is it possible to treat it like a flu?
A patient in their 60s 1) can and should get a flu vaccine which offers no matter how faulty significant protection. 2) can find a hospital or even ICU bed because they wont' be full because the flu is at least 2 times less contagious 3) can get oxygen because there is plenty available 4) can get Tamiflu and other flu specific drugs. A patient in their 60s in the middle of a pandemic from the new virus 1) cant get vaccinated to be protected 2) will be hardpressed to get good hospital treatment because it is much more contagious than the flu, the hospitals everywhere in the world will be overwhelmed and the doctors themselves infected 3) there is simply not enough oxygen availability for all needed to be hospitalised if high % of the population gets infected. Not in america, not in europe , not in Japan, not in SK nowhere. 4) there is no treatment. If you want to treat it like a flu, you are welcome to do so but the facts are simply different from top to bottom. More contagious, more lethal, no protection.
I rather die than giving all my savings to the hospital and being broke..... this is not a flu . it is an economical death penalty to many many families.
This was my thought but without going into great detail in research. It's not like the sars epidemic where it targeting the young and left scar tissue in it's victims. That was like a flash fire while this is a steady blaze. I am concerned about my mother reaching the target age but I'm compartmentalizing that against the prospect of raiding Costco armed with gas mask and fire axe. The biggest meta worry for me is how virulent and hidden transmission can be with our current understanding and whether this is the final form. In fact, I think it's good that we're doing a stress test on our response infrastructure because it's clearly lacking, and I'm positively hoping it ends up like y2k bug... A credible alarm to improve critical infrastructure that only seemed in hindsight like a waste of money when it finally passes. Ofc, I'm assuming when, not if...
This is why we have to fight for M4A, have to fight for paid leave. It's time Americans stop eating **** and catch up to the developed world.
Hysteria and panic are counterproductive and the media can be way too alarmist, but it looks like the Italian strain may be in the Seattle area. These numbers are so sad: https://www.kuow.org/stories/volati...ly-for-the-first-time-since-covid-19-outbreak
Leave it up to the unknown and people will fill it up with their worse imagination. It’s normal human nature. This lack is testing is horrible for these people and eventually the community and many of us.
I watch zero TV news. I read almost nothing from any of the major media online (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC...) I have only watch the numbers, what WHO said and some regional reporting. What is this end of the world as the media is portraying are you talking about? What am I missing?
The number of doctors that have expressed a belief that millions will die from this to me in private? Zero... none... and these are people of various ages and medical backgrounds and specialties.
My friends don’t believe there will be bedding or service issues nor will there be oxygen issues. They do expect people to get the virus and the treatment emphasis to be on the older and elderly. We will see what happens in the USA but they are quite confident. I asked about hundreds of thousands of people in the USA or millions and was scoffed at. I don’t believe any of them are Trump supporters or agree with his handling of the situation. I will ask my mother to limit it her travel if possible but that is the extent of what I will do. I trust my wife and and colleagues. We will see what happens but I will not be rushing out to buy paper towels and other supplies that I do not have on hand already. I will not require anyone sick to come to work (but I never do that anyway and I do not keep track of sick days).
Lol you're insane sorry. I own a medical equipment business and I specialize in providing medical equipment to critical care hospitals. Smaller hospitals are freaking out. Hospitals are scrambling to find enough respiratory therapists and nebulizers and other equipment. You forget that with competitive bidding going into effect this year there is a massive shortage of rural providers for any oxygen providers. Most critical hospitals have one or two providers that are even willing to service them because of the recent fee schedule cuts. Lincare and Apria already have a 17 day wait time for new patients. This will disproportionally effect rural hospitals. There are MASSIVE oxygen shortages already in rural America. Its why companies like my are flourishing. IF this spreads to rural america we will see blood on the streets. This could very easily end up as a disaster.
Even if this is the mild S strain with such kind of reaction in that old people facility it is almost inevitable that deaths will pile up. I haven't been keeping up to date with this incident but from this article it sounds worse than the DP cruise ship and it is actually on american soil. No testing of the staff and patients to immediately separate the infected and limit the infection. No immediate treatment of patients unless the 80 year olds develop pneumonia? What did they expect would happen?
