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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It's definitely racist to assume I am black.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    He never had any anyway.

    But man, it would be a bad look if our president got covid. Embarrassing.
     
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  3. Newlin

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    At this point I think Americans just want the TRUTH. If mistakes were made, if the CDC was caught flat footed, if we have a massive shortage of test kits, if the situation looks bleak. Just give us the TRUTH.

    It seems like everyone in the Gov’t is just trying to cover their ass. Stop telling me what a great job you did as the number of cases are multiplying rapidly. Americans would appreciate a little honesty.
     
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    Remember who is the head of the current administration, he had never done anything wrong in his life.
     
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  5. NewRoxFan

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    A known hyper germophobe like trump? I bet his visits with a space suit, and in a building far from the actual labs...
     
  6. WNBA

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    because most of the jobs that Trump has created through hard working are in the areas that 'serve' the illegals, such as ICE officers, border wall constructors, immigrant lawyers, racist judges, cage makers, prison managers, gun vendors , plus illegals get everything in this country and every open border DEMs are working for the illegals..
     
  7. SamFisher

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    He's pivoting to the possible COVID-19-induced rising unemployment future that will be the backdrop of November's MAGA referendum.
     
  8. mtbrays

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    Yes, the illegals pay us more money than you can imagine to work on their behalf. It's very lucrative.
     
  9. Amiga

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    Seriously?

     
  10. FrontRunner

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    Your wish has been granted. They're pointing fingers already.

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accuses China of setting back coronavirus prevention efforts

    PUBLISHED FRI, MAR 6 2020 8:06 AM EST UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO
    • Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, in a CNBC interview, said it has proven “incredibly frustrating” to work with the Chinese government to obtain data on the coronavirus.
    • He said Beijing’s actions have set prevention efforts back.
    • “The information that we got at the front end of this thing wasn’t perfect and has led us now to a place where much of the challenge we face today,” Pompeo said.
    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Friday blamed China for putting the U.S. “behind the curve” in trying to contain the coronavirus outbreak.

    In a CNBC interview, Pompeo said it has proven “incredibly frustrating” to work with the Chinese government to obtain data on the coronavirus, “which will ultimately be the solution to both getting the vaccine and attacking this risk.”

    “Remember, this is the Wuhan coronavirus that’s caused this, and the information that we got at the front end of this thing wasn’t perfect and has led us now to a place where much of the challenge we face today has put us behind the curve,” Pompeo said in an interview with CNBC’s “Squawk Box.”

    “That’s not the way infectious disease doctors tell me it should work. It’s not the way America works with transparency and openness and the sharing of the information that needs to take place.”

    Contnued...
     
  11. Amiga

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    CDC stop reporting numbers... then when it resume days later, it does not include state data. Now, why would you do that?


    Exclusive: The Strongest Evidence Yet That America Is Botching Coronavirus Testing

    “I don’t know what went wrong,” a former CDC chief told The Atlantic.




    It’s one of the most urgent questions in the United States right now: How many people have actually been tested for the coronavirus?

    This number would give a sense of how widespread the disease is, and how forceful a response to it the United States is mustering. But for days, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has refused to publish such a count, despite public anxiety and criticism from Congress. On Monday, Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, estimated that “by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed” in the United States. On Wednesday, Vice President Mike Pence promised that “roughly 1.5 million tests” would be available this week.

    But the number of tests performed across the country has fallen far short of those projections, despite extraordinarily high demand, The Atlantic has found.

    “The CDC got this right with H1N1 and Zika, and produced huge quantities of test kits that went around the country,” Thomas Frieden, the director of the CDC from 2009 to 2017, told us. “I don’t know what went wrong this time.”

    Through interviews with dozens of public-health officials and a survey of local data from across the country, The Atlantic could only verify that 1,895 people have been tested for the coronavirus in the United States, about 10 percent of whom have tested positive. And while the American capacity to test for the coronavirus has ramped up significantly over the past few days, local officials can still test only several thousand people a day, not the tens or hundreds of thousands indicated by the White House’s promises.

    To arrive at our estimate, we contacted the public-health departments of all 50 states and the District of Columbia. We gathered data on websites, and we corresponded with dozens of state officials. All 50 states and D.C. have made some information available, though the quality and timeliness of the data varied widely. Some states have only committed to releasing their numbers once or three times a week. Most are focused on the number of confirmed cases; only a few have publicized the number of people they are capable of testing.

    The Atlantic’s numbers reflect the best available portrait of the country’s testing capacity as of early this morning. These numbers provide an accurate baseline, but they are incomplete. Scattered on state websites, the data available are not useful to citizens or political leaders. State-based tallies lack the reliability of the CDC’s traditional—but now abandoned—method of reporting. Several states—including New Jersey, Texas, and Louisiana—have not shared the number of coronavirus tests they have conducted overall, meaning their number of positive results lacks crucial context.

    The net effect of these choices is that the country’s true capacity for testing has not been made clear to its residents. This level of obfuscation is unexpected in the United States, which has long been a global leader in public-health transparency.

    The figures we gathered suggest that the American response to the coronavirus and the disease it causes, COVID-19, has been shockingly sluggish, especially compared with that of other developed countries. The CDC confirmed eight days ago that the virus was in community transmission in the United States—that it was infecting Americans who had neither traveled abroad nor were in contact with others who had. In South Korea, more than 66,650 people were tested within a week of its first case of community transmission, and it quickly became able to test 10,000 people a day. The United Kingdom, which has only 115 positive cases, has so far tested 18,083 people for the virus.

    Normally, the job of gathering these types of data in the U.S. would be left to epidemiologists at the CDC. The agency regularly collects and publishes positive and negative test results for several pathogens, including multiple types of the seasonal flu. But earlier this week, the agency announced that it would stop publishing negative results for the coronavirus, an extraordinary step that essentially keeps Americans from knowing how many people have been tested overall.

    “With more and more testing done at states, these numbers would not be representative of the testing being done nationally,” Nancy Messonnier, the chief CDC official for respiratory diseases, said at the time. “States are reporting results quickly, and in the event of a discrepancy between CDC and state case counts, the state case counts should always be considered more up to date.”


    Then, last night, the CDC resumed reporting the number of tests that the agency itself has completed, but did not include testing by state public-health departments or other laboratories. Asked to respond to our own tally and reporting, the CDC directed us to Messonnier’s statement from Tuesday.

    Our reporting found that disorder has followed the CDC’s decision not to publish state data. Messonier’s statement itself implies that, as highly populous states like California increase their own testing, the number of people the CDC reports as having been tested and the actual number of people tested will become ever more divergent. The federal tally of positive cases is now also badly out of date: While the CDC is reporting 99 positive cases of the coronavirus in the United States, our data, and separate data from Johns Hopkins University, show that the true number is well above 200, including those on the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

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    These data come with an important caveat. Currently, most labs require two specimens to test one person. Single-specimen testing capability is being developed, but right now the top-line number of available tests should be cut in half. In other words, “1.5 million tests” should be able to test roughly 750,000 people. Some states, such as Colorado, told us how many specimens they could test a day (160), not how many patients (about 80). Other states shared the number of patients they could test, but not the number of specimens. In this story, we’ve standardized these numbers by dividing any specimen figure by two to give an estimate of the number of patients who can be tested.

    Our reporting found that three factors determine the number of people who are tested for the coronavirus.

    The first factor is the availability of tests. Until recently, very few physical tests were available, because of a mistake that the CDC made with a crucial component. The White House has pushed for and highlighted a massive increase in available tests, to perhaps 1 million in the next week. But labs have to be trained on how to set up and execute the relatively complex procedure.

    The second factor is that the CDC sets the parameters for state and local public-health staff regarding who should be tested. The agency’s guidelines were very strict for weeks, focusing on returning international travelers. Even as they have been loosened in the past few days, there are persistent reports that people—including a sick nurse who had cared for a coronavirus patient—have not been able to get tested.

    Finally, the more people who contract the illness, the greater the demand for testing. Some weeks ago, the number of cases in the United States was probably much, much smaller than today. The upshot is that there is likely to be an explosion of Americans tested for the coronavirus in the next week, led by California and Washington, each of which has a substantial number of cases and has shown signs that the virus is spreading.

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    If the true extent of the outbreak were known through testing, the American situation would look worse. But health-care officials and providers would be better positioned to combat the virus. Hard decisions require data. For now, state and local governments don’t have the information they need.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...mericans-have-been-tested-coronavirus/607597/
     
  12. JuanValdez

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    Sure we'd appreciate it. But it sure as hell wouldn't help him get re-elected.
     
  13. WNBA

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    Now the fat pig is talking about sharing information with China and working with the Chinese government? Should not he first check what he did this week to China? Go fk yourself the white pork.
     
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  14. JuanValdez

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    Watched this yesterday, Bill Gates talking 3 years ago about being ready for a pandemic. Not very encouraging now.

     
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    a spike in gun purchases by Asian-Americans

    https://www.thetrace.org/2020/03/coronavirus-gun-sales-washington-california-asian-americans/

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    As the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases continues to multiply, many Americans are emptying store shelves of hand sanitizer, bleach, and canned goods. But there’s an acute fear among Asian-Americans that the virus’s origins in China will spark a violent xenophobic backlash. Along the West Coast, where the worst outbreaks of coronavirus in the United States have occurred, those fears seem to be spurring a surge in gun sales.

    “People are panicking because they don’t feel secure,” said David Liu, who is Chinese-American and owns Arcadia Firearm and Safety, just east of Los Angeles. “They worry about a riot or maybe that people will start to target the Chinese.”

    Liu said his store had seen a fivefold increase in sales over the past two weeks. He’s sold out of Glock handguns, and some customers have asked to buy his entire inventory of ammunition branded for home defense. “They think it’s Costco,” he said.

    According to Liu, his customers are overwhelmingly of Chinese descent. They worry, he explained, that in the event of mass panic, they might face violence because of their ethnicity, and be easy victims because of historically low rates of gun ownership. Surveys of gun ownership don’t usually track Asian-Americans separately, but instead include them in an “other” category that is typically very small.

    As The Los Angeles Times has reported, since the first novel coronavirus outbreaks in the United States, Asian-Americans have experienced intensifying venom, including bullying, racist comments, and harassment. And, on February 24, a man of East Asian descent was assaulted in central London. One of the assailants reportedly said, “I don’t want your coronavirus in my country.”

    “The main thing I’m hearing is that they don’t want to get jumped because of their race,” said Cole Gaughran, the internet sales manager at Wade’s Eastside Guns in Bellevue, Washington. Gaughran said his store has seen a sixfold increase in sales in the same two weeks. His new customers, most of them first-time gun owners, were almost entirely of Asian descent, he said. Bellevue is just a 15 minute drive from Kirkland, where 11 people have died from the virus.

    There’s no way to get an accurate accounting for how many people buy guns on a weekly basis, or in real time. However, in Washington, local police departments do process background checks for most first-time gun buyers. In Bellevue, police say they’ve registered the spike in demand. Meeghan Black, the Police Department’s public information officer, said that since August of last year, the department has processed a steady average of around 158 checks per month. But in the first four days of March, they handled more than a hundred.

    “The officer who processes these checks said he’s been processing the last ten years, and has never seen anything like this in his life,” she added.
    more at the link
     
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  16. NewRoxFan

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    Credibility. One suggestion to the white house, please don't send out kellyanne conway, with such a history of credibility questions, out to speak on this significant health emergency. Here she is, and its as bad as you might think...

     
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    The dotard said this earlier today;

    This (coronavirus) is actually good for the US economy

    This means instead of vacationing overseas, Americans will be vacationing more domestically

     
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    Just when you thought trump couldn't be any worse...




    Oh wait, he can even be worse (wearing his damn campaign hat to tour a tornado area?
     
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  20. NewRoxFan

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    ... and, even worse... the state of Washington is still part of the United States I believe...


     

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