Part of the problem is that the case that the media, health insurance money, and other big interests all coordinated in an effort to stop Bernie, but they didn't donate to help Biden who won. They didn't run commercials against Bernie or for Biden. Saying they are against Bernie doesn't show they were conspiring ways to get rid of him while not running their own ads and donating to Biden. I'm not trying to be unsympathetic to the challenges a candidate like Bernie has. Biden has a lifetime of political connections, organizers and people all over the country that he can rely on and as for help in getting out the vote. Bernie doesn't have those connections and is more independent. I prefer Bernie's way because then he doesn't owe favors. But it is a disadvantage to win. That also makes it a reason why I prefer Bernie's way. But none of that equals a conspiracy to keep Bernie from winning with underhanded tactics.
Young people never show up in large numbers. It's inherent in what stage young voters on average are economically in their lives compared to older voters where they have less time, are less stable and move around significantly more which means they have thlo register often. A lot of older people wouldn't vote also if they moved often and just forgot to register to vote. So the constant here is always going to middle aged and older Democrat voters, the type of people who disproportionately watch CNN and MSNBC compared to other demographics. Honestly I'm done here if you are just continuously going to best up a strawman of my argument. https://theintercept.com/2019/10/25/joe-biden-super-pac/ https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/09/health-care-joe-biden-medicare-for-all
I agree with you that young voters don't usually show up in large numbers. I had hoped that would be a strength of Bernie and that he could change that trend. It would have been a powerful weapon and was his best shot at winning the election had he been nominated. But if he won the nomination and couldn't bring the younger voters out in large numbers, he wasn't going to do well on election night anyway.
There is a faction of Never Bernie people. You are gonna lose votes one way or the other .... the question is which way loses more and I believe that's a clear choice. If Bernie wins the nomination , I'm voting for Trump. If Biden wins , I'm voting for Biden. If Bernie fails to secure the nomination - The progressive agenda is dead and buried. You'll have shown to be a minority wing within your own party , then there's independents and Republicans who aren't buying the socialist agenda. Progressives make up 15% of the whole.
I'm not setting up strawmen, I'm asking you to explain exactly what you happened. Other than saying self interested parties exist and that they don't like Bernie I don't understand what you think they DID to hurt Bernie. Beyond just not wanting him to be the nominee, what did these powerful forces actually do to conspire against Bernie Sanders. You linked to articles about the Biden super-pac but I still don't see what that accomplished? It existed. According to Politico that super pac spent nearly $5M in Iowa, he lost and they essentially had no money until a few days before Super Tuesday where they spent a combined $1.5 million over 14 states. So basically a non factor. Yes, they existed and yes self interested corporate entities that you don't like gave it some money, but there's no evidence they had any impact whatsoever. Just merely existing is not evidence of effectiveness.
You are ignoring how younger generations poll on issues . You are also ignoring how issues are polled when you remove a politician from that issue. Nothing happens to the progressive agenda if Bernie loses, people are still going to want healthcare for all, people are still going to want to get corruption out of politics, people are still going to want to address climate change. Ideas are very hard to bury and aren't usually buried with a single election no matter how much you disagree with them.
Bernie did a full length interview with Maddow tonight. Among the highlights: -Says young voters are turning out -Claims that Joe Biden asked Obama for his endorsement and was told no (not true) -Says he didn't ask Jim Clyburn to support him because they don't agree on the issues -Says Joe did well because he had billionaire money (Biden had less money and spent less money than Bernie) -Says there are polls that show him doing well with black voters
To be honest , I feel like you are looking for excuses rather than understanding that your guy and his idea's just don't resonate with the majority - even if we concede M4A. You guy's are a very loud 15% of the whole. I believe your ideals are noble .... just not tenable in a capitalistic society.
You bring up some good points. As a Clinton 2016 supporter I'm guilty of the blame game but I also do recognize she ran a terrible campaign and took states like WI for granted. There were a lot of reasons why Clinton lost and among them was overconfidence and failure to articulate and campaign on her own vision. To be fair to you also yes I think you recognize problems with Sanders campaign and you've made several posts that Sanders will need to compromise. One of the problems though I see with Sanders' rhetoric is that he's painted himself into a corner. He's so focused on leading a revolution and attacking entrenched entrance that if he started talking about compromise I'm not sure how much his core supporters will stick with him. This is where I think instead of just running as an outsider firebrand he could've worked on his messaging and his relationship with the DNC over the last four years. As the frustration of people with establishment politics I agree there is a lot of that and we need to address it. I'm very leery though of the idea that we need outsiders leading a revolution. Frankly that's what we got with Trump and for me personally I don't trust a Leftist populist revolution much more than a Rightist one.
Sounds like a winning strategy to try and win over voters on the fence and put everyone at ease that he’ll be able to unite the party. Bernie supporters need hard truth here and that is that blaming conspiracy and going negative on every other Democrat isn’t going to win him the election, and HE STILL IS THE CO FRONTRUNNER. He has not lost the nomination YET so I don’t get the premature freak out. Regardless of what you guy actually feel, do you actually want to win or just feel self pity?
Primaries are easier to vote in than caucuses and both this year and in 2016 Sanders has done consistently better in caucuses . MN's switch to a primary this year might've been a factor in a state that Sanders won handedly four years ago to a state that he lost by 9% this year. I'm not sure if this is just as simple as that young people who make the core of Sanders supporter don't have the time to vote. If that was the case then Sanders in his last two runs would be losing caucuses rather than the other way around.
right it seems like young people dominate the caucuses for him because they have so much more time. Places that switched from caucus to voting saw huge participation increases like Utah and Minnesota.
So you gonna keep using this analogy when it still continues to make no sense. If Bernie is so pure and think the Democratic establishment is corrupt he should start his own party, you know like google started their own search engine. The better analogy would be as if google had a blog that used yahoo and then wanted yahoo to change their business model to one that google and their readers wanted and then cry foul when they did not want to do it.
LOL. Now that Bernie's not going to win by his previous metric, he's now saying it should be whoever has the most votes, not delegates.
A better question might be what does Bernie not want the government to take over or subsidize. https://berniesanders.com/issues/
Really? So, with that, Bernie's history: 2016 early - super delegates is unfair 2016 later - the super delegates decide, not committed delegates + super delegates 2018 - super delegate don't count, majority is needed then all delegates decide if no majority 2020 early - majority isn't needed, just plurality of delegates 2020 now - not plurality of delegates, just whoever has the most votes
Really? For one thing, get better surrogates who can portray his message with a bit of nuance. Instead it's all one note. Establishment bad Billionaire class Money in politics How many people are going bankrupt on medical bills=M4A.
It's almost Trump like? I know I am gonna get severe incoming but I am starting to think he is trying to use the same blueprint as Trump in 2016. Not saying Bernie is the same as Trump but using a lot of the same tactics.
