I agree, but you’re talking about “normal” politics. I’m talking about wild statements, conspiracy theories more akin to what typically comes from trump’s camp. I hope that turns out to be a blip on the remaining campaign. I expect it to be tough. A brawl. Bernie didn’t quit in 2016, even when it got to the point where it was hurting the November campaign. I wouldn’t expect less this time around. I’d love to be surprised, though.
Why could a moderate beat Trump? Because nearly 60% of the country HATES Donald Trump..... so a candidate that is not offensive, can stand up for himself and has connections is an attractive alternative. Also, people do not hate Joe Biden like they did Hillary Clinton. Biden isn't changing anything? He is almost guaranteed to replace two SC Justices in Ginsberg and Breyer. Thomas will be 76 by 2024, Alito will be 75 years old......... play with the actuary table and figure out the likelihood of of another of the 7 justices dying by 2024. Further, it is possible that Biden would have the house and close to a majority in the senate (or a majority if Biden is popular enough).
I don't drink. And Biden's record with Black people is trash. Clyburn and Obama are influential with black people and they sold us out. Biden doesn't care about us, never has, and for them to back him, and tip the scales is shameful. I know that is hard for some here to believe.
I don’t care if you want to call him a placeholder but at least he’ll stop the bleeding and I’ll take that.
I think Trump is the most disliked president in decades, if you don't screw up, there is a good chance the country will just vote him out.
Do you find it odd that so many other black leaders and black people in general disagree with you? You have leaders John Lewis calling out Sanders....... Obama supposedly not excited about Sanders...... Clyburn supporting Biden and not Sanders... Then you have the majority of black voters supporting Biden.
He's gonna lose. Do you think he's a guy that rallies people to vote for him, of course not. Obviously im gonna vote for him. But there have been a history of moderates losing to bone headed republicans(see Kerry, Hillary yea I know she was not likable but still). Biden's policies are what Im talking about. He's not gonna do anything that this country desperately needs right now. He'll probably have the House....but idk about the Senate.
No doubt, and Bernie's camp has to stop with the 'rigged' narrative at once as it plays into what Trump will say should Biden win. But Bernie's claim that the establishment and DNC don't want him to win is very real and not a conspiracy. There is a clear preference for Biden and for Bernie's message it makes sense that he'd try to play into that for the rest of his primary. I do agree that the whole 'rigged' thing needs to stop but Bernie is going to campaign for Biden if he's asked to, no doubt about that.
It's sad, because I see this a lot. A lot of our black leaders that have been through the struggle don't practice what they preach. They fight for one thing then tell you to do another. Obama ran on one thing and did very little for black people when he got into office. It's sometimes all about a snap shot of showing up to a damn march and pandering instead of policy wit these guys. I seriously think it's ego, power and legacy. They don't want Bernie coming in to shake that up and then look back at them and ask what the hell have you guys been doing all this time? These influential black people have become the establishment not the people they represent. People in NC on Obamacare voting for Biden thought Biden supported M4A for goodness sake.
Of course they don't want him to win. He literally said he's going to war with the Democratic establishment, so what would you expect? But not wanting someone to win is meaningless unless they actually did something unethical to undermine him. It's sort of meaningless at that point. Once Bernie says it's unfair and that the party is cheating, then it undermines any message of "let's support the party" later. This is the same nonsense as 2016 when he said Hillary was unqualified but then campaigned for her.
Yes, Biden has momentum, but he's Joe "No Malarkey" Biden; you know it's not a matter of if but when he does something cringe-worthy. Remember, Joe almost got knocked out of the building by Kamala Harris not long after stepping into the race. A desperate Elizabeth Warren and a focused Bernie Sanders... do I need to say more? What concerns me are Biden's blowout wins in Virginia and North Carolina. What if Bernie does win the nomination? Will Biden voters come out for him in these two critical swing states? And if Biden ultimately wins after a prolonged, divisive battle, what do the Bernie faithful do in November? I'm hoping for a good clean race from here. And hope, too, that when it's all said and done there are no hard feelings between those of us that don't want a second dose of Trump.
That's really all that matters. It doesn't matter how it got to this point but that it is and he's fair to point it out. I think it's odd how people criticize the DNC, people here, and democrats/liberals every where for like 4 years but then get mad at Bernie for doing so. This is literally every primary though. Look at all the Never Trumpers that stood behind Trump and stand behind Trump after saying he'd destroy the party and country and called him a racist. It's not meaningless at all, Bernie campaigning for Joe is not going to hurt Joe and so he should do it in the end if he's asked to. I feel like this kind of rhetoric is just setting up for blaming young voters and Bernie once again if Joe doesn't win.
I like how you think you speak for all black people. Remember how you told us Sanders was more popular than Biden with them because of some dumbass poll that you didn't even understand? How did that work out?
I think you will be surprised, I think Biden will trounce Bernie now, you just watch. It is not because Biden is a great choice, it is because vast majority of the people who want to remove Trump from the white house have come to the conclusion that Biden is the best bet(we will see if it is true or not in Nov). Before SC, I wasn't even sure there is a Democrat that can do unite the party, but the black folks showed the rest of us the way forward, proving once again that you must have African American votes to be the Democrat nominee.
It's as meaningful as me saying I don't want Bernie to win. Or that moderates don't want Bernie. Or that Biden's family doesn't want Bernie. The DNC is what, a couple of thousand people, maybe? They each have one vote in a primary. Their opinions are no different than yours or mine - unless you're suggesting they are using their influence to unfairly affect the process. That's the accusation that Bernie implies with his statements and that's what is problematic. And look what it did to the GOP and how many of it's long time members have since bolted the party.
I have empathy for people, but couldn't they just have gone and voted early? IF young voters really think this is important, then they should find a way to go quickly and vote. I can understand there being extreme cases, but come on! It's seriously pathetic that Bernie supporters keep playing this victim card. Life is not that unfair.
Maybe you guys are right about the trump hate. Yes, his haters have a huge platform in the media, but maybe a lot of voters dont have such a strong opinion. I think there are many people who dont hate him and would never participate in a poll much less come out publicly in support of him. I support him on this anonymous message board but my social media pages have zero political posts. Saying 60% of the country hates him seems high to me.
No, it is not. If you think Clyburn's opinion has no more sway than you or I than I don't know what to say. Klobuchar, Pete, and others all getting behind Biden was huge for him, the rest of the party getting behind Biden is huge for him. They are using their influence to help him get elected and persuading others. It's fair for Bernie to then say "They are against me and they are against what you all want as well." What did it do for the GOP? It gave them the house, senate, and congress and a SCOTUS majority. McConnel has owned the DNC for about a decade now, at least. They are winning and it's going to take a lot to get the Senate back. Will be interesting to see if Biden wins if these long time members will actively support and even campaign for Joe...we'll see. I'm sure not counting on conservatives to cross the line and I hope the DNC doesn't.
We shall see. I can't read too much into the demographics at this point, particularly when they involve states that will ultimately go for Trump. Bernie should be worried though, I agree.
Those polls came before the Clyburn and Obama's soft endorsement. All those black people were waiting for someone to tell them who to vote for. It took Clyburn's endorsement to swing it so monumentally in his favor. Clyburn and Obama sold them all out. A LARGE amount of those black people voting for Biden think he supports M4A for goodness sake. nice try.
