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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. JayGoogle

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    It's not that clear cut though. People want Medicare for All..they just don't seem to actually get behind the candidates that support it.

    If we're sitting here 4 years from now still wondering about healthcare maybe the...what...5th or 6th time will be the charm?

    I think people are ready for the policies but Sanders (or this particular circumstance with Trump across from him) might not be the guy to deliver them.
     
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  2. HP3

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    In a 'relative scale"...lol, no substance here whatsoever. Just making up reasons(which some are true, just not to the significance you claim) for low voter turnout which is unacceptable.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion...0200303-otex6bg2gnhobjxzyzw22mygjy-story.html

    Apparently its because they are too apprehensive about registering to vote....lol that is just so....that really sounds more like lazy to me, im sorry. Its not hard to register to vote good god.
    Biden is a dingus whos going to lose to trump....ill still vote for him though.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    I skimmed the article. It doesn't mention any data of the percentage for the reason you state.

    Also "apprehensive about registering to vote" can mean many things where the motivations can be a result of not having as much time on their hands as elderly people.

    Yes we have to speak in terms of "relative" as some young people do go out and vote. It's not 'none'. There obviously many different reasons but the most prevelant one is that mostly elderly people have a lot of time. They also are more stable and thus don't change addresses as much and don't have to re-register nearly as often. There are other reasons and yes a difference in social norms between generations have SOME parts to play but most of it is that younger people tend to be less stable and have less time.

    And older non retired people are more likely to also be stable also and live at addresses a lot longer. They also might have more flexible work schedules because they are more upper management. They probably also have more in savings and don't live pay check to pay check on a hourly wage than younger people.

    Younger people are the most unstable group and because of those they have less control of their time and have to register more often because younger people move far more often than middle aged and elderly people.

    Being lazy probably isn't close to the top reason. It's mostly circumstances of the stages of life everyone is in.

    Edit: Besides cognitive sciences has determined that most humans don't significanltly change their behavior such as worth ethic after their frontal lobe is fully developed around 25 years of age. If someone's not going to vote at the age of 27 because of laziness, they most likely won't vote when they are older.
     
  4. HP3

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    Its closer to my reasoning than yours, you skimmed the article...lol alright.

    Lol, bro please, thats not close to 50-60 hours a week, i can not vote..sheesh.

    Its not hard at all to register to vote man. They are intersted in politics, but they cant bother to register...please. All Im hearing is bunch of excuses you are making up with no substantial evidence.

    All that tells me about the younger generation right now is that they'll be less voting when they are older as well.

    You are caping for young people.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    You really didn't read what I typed right?

    It's the relative difference. Each age group has their quota of "lazy people". Usually for most people after the age of 25, their core behavioral traits remain constant. If they're lazy at 28 they most likely will be someone lazy and not ambitious their entire lives. Are there exceptions? Yes but usually from external stimuli such as reforming from drug addiction. But for most people if they are going to be lazy by 28 they are going to be similar the rest of their lives. So the difference between the age groups are mostly going to be because of the ramifications and consequences of being at that stage in life such as younger people are more mobile and change addresses more often or having less time due to what stage in life they are with their careers.
     
  6. HP3

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    I'm aware of all this. But that has to with many things, not specifically voting itself. People exist on a spectrum dude. People could be hard working about a lot of things, but cant be bothered to vote, its not black and white. You havent provided a single study, no data. And now you are giving sociological answers to something you have given no evidence for.
     
  7. The Real Shady

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    Bernie Virus is in remission, markets are rebounding.
     
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    Absolutely.

    Think about this: Biden is the guy who got confused between his wife and sister .... makes a gaff every other time he opens his mouth .... lying dog faced pony soldier ? You're a liar , lets do pushups or somethin man!

    But Bernie can't beat him outside of his home state and ultra liberal places.

    The fact that he's most likely going to win the nomination tells us all we need to know about the socialist free everything platform - people know its not free and they will likely be on the hook , no matter how noble.

    The fact that he probably beats Trump tells us all we need to know too ....
     
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  11. Nook

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    Do we know specifically that Sanders supporters did not show up to vote? I find that hard to believe.

    I find it more likely that there are just a lot of quiet voters that showed up to support a more moderate candidate.

    Also, for all the people getting on young voters for not showing up, that has happened for a long time and isn't unique to this generation.
     
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  12. fchowd0311

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    I tried to explain to him the inherent traits that different age brackets experience that lead to differences in voter turnout such as younger people are far less stable and move often meaning they have to re-register to vote more often than older people. Younger people have less time than older people or more accurately younger people have less control of their time than older people as they are either retired or relative to young people are more likely to be in non-hourly wage jobs and be upper management where they have more agency in their time.
     
  13. BigShasta

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    Damn, I was rooting hard for Bernie - not because of his political leanings but I would've loved to see folks be voided of his or her student loans :(
     
  14. Amiga

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    That's the problem - young voters are unreliable. It surprises me that they didn't show up more. I think @Nook is right. Those quite voters, also very busy, that tend to not vote often as well, show up driving turnout. And they showed up for Biden. This is a good sign for a Biden nomination - there is strong yet quiet pent-up energy waiting to get rid of Trump.
     
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  15. justtxyank

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    As expected, Bernie is buckling down. Two new ads out today saying Biden is going to take away social security and one that seems to imply that Obama is endorsing Bernie. (Ends with Obama saying Feelthebern!)
     
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  16. Major

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    Here's the evidence we're working with:

    Sanders got fewer voters than last year, both in absolute and percentage terms.
    The % of first-time voters was down compared to 2008 and 2016.
    The % of young voters was down compared to 2008 and 2016.
    Suburban voters were up.
    Turnout was higher in places Biden won.

    Basically, the coalition that came out to vote yesterday was the less-ideological, more anti-Trump Democratic coalition from 2018.
     
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  17. Nook

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    Suburban voting is likely the key to the election.
     
  18. Nook

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    As the Bern Turns
     
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  19. Major

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    The most stunning # to me was Vermont - he won 85% last time. He got 51% this time. In his home state, where they love him and no one else campaigned.
     
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  20. justtxyank

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    Yeah Vermont is staggering really. Bernie was projected to get ALL the delegates in Vermont (not many) and Biden hit viability +.

    Oklahoma was another stunner.
     

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