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Super Tuesday Predictions

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Major, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    It's a victory for Biden because he was basically dead 4 days ago. No money, no ads, no field offices in many of these states, etc. if there was no early voting it is very probably that Biden would have put this race away tonight.

    Now I agree, there is a long campaign ahead still. This might be the most tightly contested primary in generations.
     
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  2. Mr.Scarface

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    Biden was DEAD 3 weeks ago. Now, he was won the most states. What should worry Bernie and Trump....is the voter turnout for Biden.

    He won States where no money or ground game was invested. That is the Obama coalition rising...

    If Obama endorsed Biden tomorrow, Bernie might as well dropout. Obama won't do that....though.
     
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  3. justtxyank

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    Tomorrow Bloomberg will drop out and endorse Biden and then probably spend a lot of money t
    I'm not sure Obama won't endorse Biden. He may do the "I sat this out but it's clear now that Joe is going to be the nominee and it's time to support him."
     
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  4. Roxfreak724

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    I think a lot of Bernie supporters (myself included) underestimated both the power of the media and of course the establishment politicians' ability to coalesce so rapidly. We also underestimated voters putting their policy agreement below their desire to elect someone who in their mind can beat Trump. The endorsements yesterday indicated that Biden was that candidate.

    There's still a long way to go, but if the current dynamics continue it will not be good for Sanders. However, something like a Warren endorsement could shake stuff up, though it would have been more useful prior to Super Tuesday.
     
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  5. Deckard

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    The Democratic turnout is way up across the board, whoever they are voting for. Clearly, Democrats want to defeat trump and they are turning out in droves to pick who they think can beat him, whoever it ends up being. Turnout for Democrats has always meant everything. The Republican Party is a minority party. 3,000,000 more Democrats than Republicans voted in both 2016 and 2018. I expect the turnout to be much larger in 2020. Defeating trump will unite us and bring independents to the polls to vote against trump and for the Democratic candidate in droves, in my opinion. Wait and see.
     
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    Don't use the word "establishment". It's as conspiratorial and nutty as "deep state" around here. Apparently human nature doesn't exist in reality.
     
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  8. shorerider

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    ?? Man stop drinking the Kool-Aid. This race is anything but decided. Tomorrow Sanders and Biden will be neck and neck in the delegate count. Watch for further dropouts and endorsements for both in the coming weeks. Biden was dead a few days ago. Anything can happen in the next few months.
     
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  9. Amiga

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    This might not be that hard to explain. Bernie has a low ceiling (even lower than 2016). Pretty much all the moderates dropping out and endorsing Biden did the trick.
     
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    Agree. Now that it's between Biden and Bernie I think he'll finally come out with his endorsement.
     
  11. justtxyank

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    A contested convention where Biden and Bernie are tied essentially is a Biden victory.
     
  12. Mr.Scarface

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    IF Biden wins Texas, it is over. The reason? There are not enough Ultra-Liberal votes left for Bernie to win.
     
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  13. Roxfreak724

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    Ya not sure what the aversion to the use of the term "establishment" on this board. The status quo, the powers at be, the donor class, all make up the establishment. And they have an interest in self-preservation that is resistant to change from a person like Sanders or even Warren.

    It's not some half-baked conspiracy, it's the truth. And by the way, once you win you eventually become the establishment.
     
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    So 4 things happened:
    1. Bloomberg flopped in the debates and took away that choice.
    2. Bernie DOMINATED Nevada and scared the party out of its mind.
    3. Bernie started talking about how Casto is misunderstood.
    4. Clyburn endorsed Biden and helped deliver South Carolina in a landslide.

    But lets not forget one thing. BIden had a huge lead once as the presumptive nominee and almost choked it away. Don't underestimate his ability to gaffe his way to a big screwup.
     
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  15. justtxyank

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    I expect more endorsements following this showing. This will carry the psychological effect of a major win even if the delegate counts don't reflect it.

    The party will definitely start coalescing. Sherrod Brown will be interesting to watch.
     
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    Joe owes Elizabeth Warren a big thank you. When she eviscerated Bloomberg, she neutered him as a candidate. It has helped Joe Biden a hell of a lot. When Pete and Amy endorsed Joe on Monday, Joe was left with no competition for the great moderate/progressive middle of the Democratic Party.

    Joe Biden is AHEAD of Bernie Sanders by 1200 votes in Texas.
     
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    Biden has already overtaken Bernie in Texas now and the highly accurate Cook Political Report has already called it for Biden.
     
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  18. Major

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    Disagree. Obama beat Clinton by less than 1% in both the popular vote and delegates - and even that was effectively over in early April. I think this race is basically done barring a Biden meltdown/illness/etc. There's not really any path forward for Bernie to even end with a plurality, let alone a majority.

    Current market projections have Bernie winning a total of 10 states with California being the only big one. Beyond that, it's WA, OR, CO, NV, UT, ID, ND, VT, and NH. Biden currently is projected to win 39 states including every other big one. It's crazy how much has changed in 5 days.

    When Bloomberg drops out later this week, it's going to be even more of a blowout.
     
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    When did Bernie talk about Castro being "misunderstood"? He explicitly stated that his authoritarian nature was wrong. Like Obama he injected a non black and white paradigm to the discussion. But many Americans are just not ready for any nuanced grey area discussion. It's extreme dichotomy of good versus evil. It's simple that way I guess.
     
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    Yup. I changed my post while you were posting your post!
     

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