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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

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    I never post about things I have not thought over, can I be mistaken about something I post, yes.

    I never said he was not a great performer I just don't think he is a great roaster or particularly funny and i think he won over voters by stoking there anger the exact opposite of being a comedian.

    Why are you asking me to pretend about something I have never said.

    Anyway if you think he was able to win by roasting people let's just stop here.
     
  2. jiggyfly

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    No they are not 2 of the most famous comedians out.
     
  3. JayGoogle

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    Oh, he absolutely has to. Yes, he does.

    Andrew Gillum, who is pretty moderate himself even said this. That the issue Joe might have is that people want change.

    People can't sit there riddled with debt, a medical emergency away from being broke, and hear "Nothing is going to change!" That doesn't excite them.

    Joe absolutely has to improve healthcare within his first 4 years at the very least, just being 'decent' is not going to be good enough. The question posed was couldn't they (Future generations) change their minds? My answer was sure, if they are proven that neoliberalism can work for them too, then sure. Up to this point, it hasn't though.
     
  4. Jayzers_100

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    I’m sorry but I strongly disagree. Biden is way WAY better than Hillary as a candidate. I don’t even think it’s close
     
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  5. jiggyfly

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    We agree on a lot of this I just don't think it has anything to do with neoliberalism.

    Is the other option socialism?
     
  6. Corrosion

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    You didn't comprehend my post , you took one part of it and tried again to convince me your way is the right way instead of listening to what I had to say.

    I'm gonna say try to explain the divide to you again ....

    Moderates don't feel like we need dramatic change to the entire system , we don't want to spend that amount of money nor do we want to increase the size , scope and reach of government to the levels of which people like you and Bernie want.
    What we want is a few tweaks to the system , not a complete and total overhaul or takeover.

    That's not to say we can't work on the issues that are important to you but it is saying we don't want to throw that amount of money at the issue. There are alternatives , lets explore those instead of a free for all.


    The one thing we have in common is our admiration of Jefferson ....
     
  7. T_Man

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    Totally agree with you here!!!

    But on the same token... I also see more mini-Bernies coming also....

    T_Man
     
  8. T_Man

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    So far has this night been good or bad for Bernie???

    T_Man
     
  9. dobro1229

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    It might be gigantic if he wins both Cali and Texas.

    It’s bad only in the fact that nearly all of the other candidates have consolidated their voters into Biden which has catapulted him into winning all the southern and even some purple general election states.

    Bernies path was essentially a base voter path with the other candidates splitting up all the other delegates. Had Pete and Amy stayed in the race, Bernie would have been looking to clinch tonight for sure.

    So check in tomorrow morning. I think Bernies going to clean up in Cali and Texas would be a massive win. But he now has Biden as the co-front runner who stands in his way for sure. Watch Cali though.
     
  10. Space Ghost

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    People dont want change right now. The brightest minds in the background know this. They are willing to accept a less buffoonish version of Trump, buffoonish never the less.

    Bernie is very unpopular, just as Trump was. They both weaseled their way around the powerful and wealthy elite, much like some of the dictators did in the early 20th century. Im not calling them dictators, but that feeling they are gives people an uneasy feeling. Berie walks around like he is the leader of the leftist, and his measly 2 million dollar networth is plenty enough for a person of influence.
     
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    If they were very popular Sanders would be getting more than 33% in the Democratic primaries.
     
  12. jiggyfly

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    Bernie is not cleaning up in Texas he might not win and at least 3 candidates will be over 15% so it will be close to a draw for delegates.

    The trend is the same in Cali.
     
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  13. dobro1229

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    I haven’t seen in awhile but my understanding is that Harris and Travis county still have like 2 hour lines. But yes it probably will be close which isn’t necessarily good news for Bernie. He could still do well if the Austin and Houston votes are lagging but we’ll see. Your probably right though.
     
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    His policies are popular amongst more than 33% of Dems. Most voters either don't follow the candidate's policies too closely, or don't let policy dictate their vote too much over other factors. Talking to family members who voted for Biden, they all support M4A, they all support tuition-free college, but they voted based on who they thought has momentum, has the most electability.
     
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    Biden has been leading in Harris county throughout the night and I think later voters will trend toward Biden.
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    Utah Jazz fans support Bernie:

     
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    Pretty sure there are like half a dozen Dems in Utah, so if one of them wakes up on the wrong side of the bed, it can flip the whole state.

    I think the states like Utah that dont have a big 1930s type Democratic/Labor tradition seem most primed for Bernie.
     
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  18. fchowd0311

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    Democrat voters take into account appeal to people who aren't like them while GOP voters probably couldn't give two ***** what a Democrat voter thinks.
     
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    Most every exit poll said voters supported M4A yet they were voting for Joe Biden. Yea it's pretty mystifying.
     
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  20. fchowd0311

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    Voters thinking about electability in the general pretty much. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

    I feel as if most people don't really vote based on policy.
     

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