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[Official] Joe 2020

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

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    I disagree, primary wise, Biden doesn't do much to overwhelmingly disconnect himself from the dislike of the status quo/elite/corrupt/DC insider from, etc statuses that plagued Hillary - from the group on the left that dislikes those things and votes. (again not referring to the general). On the other hand, Hillary offering the country their 1st women president was a tremendous pull within the primary, IMO.

    Hillary was also much sharper then Joe. Those two things combined, along with help from the DNC and media, made Hillary a strong opponent against Bernie. Biden isn't as strong, and because of that Bernie is the front runner this year.

    Now in the general, I agree Biden would be better then Hillary was.
     
  2. Major

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    We're seeing in the vote totals in every state so far that Bernie 2020 is underperforming Bernie 2016. Obviously there are more candidates so it's not a problem for his chances at winning, but it suggests that many people voting for him in 2016 have moved to a more moderate candidate (since everyone is more moderate than Bernie). That tells us either the electorate has shifted to the middle, or many of Bernie's 2016 votes were simply anti-Hillary votes that now have options more to their liking.
     
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  3. ThatBoyNick

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    I don't think so, I don't think the majority of voters focus on the moderate vs progressive thing. People have different reasons for who they vote for. From liking candidate's personalities, liking temperaments/humor/speech patterns, liking youth, liking experience, liking female candidates, liking outsiders etc. I think relatively few voters are intuned with where candidates land on the political scales.

    Explain why Bernie is the most common 2nd choice for Biden and Buttigieg supporters with the theory of people solely picking candidates based on the progressive/moderate thing?

    https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

    It's just not how people vote. Bernie's total numbers are being hurt just as much as Biden's due to the field being packed, when it thins out they won't all jump behind Biden like everybody tends to think, they will likely split pretty evenly.
     
  4. Major

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    That's very possible - and if true, Bernie likely does run away with the nomination. Hopefully we get to find out sooner rather than later - I'm hopeful that Amy/Pete/Warren all drop out on Tuesday night, with Bloomberg coming soon after.
     
  5. justtxyank

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    Mayor Pete is dropping out today with an announcement shortly.

    Will he endorse Biden?
     
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    Holy crap - that's amazing. And yes, he 100% should endorse Biden (or someone). It's his best chance to be relevant - these jokers that wait until June to endorse after they know who's going to win are bizarre.
     
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    I expect him to say he saw no path to the presidency and reassert his belief that we can't nominate a radical to stop Trump. He'll say that continuing the race would only have damaged the party and helped Bernie and then endorse Biden.
     
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    Good news for Biden.
     
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    As risky as a Sanders nomination might be to win the general (I'm not so sure), Biden appears to be in incipient senility (it's noticeable in comparison to how lucid Trump and Sanders are). And there are still 8 months to go.
     
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    Pete dropped out, Warren/Amy will stay in until after Tuesday to help curb Bernie's delegates in Minny/Mass, where Bernie is polling very well.
     
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    I think its actually better news for Bernie. We'll see Tuesday night
     
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    He was talking to a wealthy person. Did you not catch that? Blatantly obvious he wasn’t referring to the rest of the crowd
     
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    ISO JOE is back
     
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    Wow... what a coincidence!

     
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    Amy is out will endorse Biden.
     
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    I wonder were Bloomberg plays into this with two major moderate candidates dropping out in 2 days?

    Is he too going to back Biden and throw money his way? It's obvious that Bernie not being the nominee is the number one goal currently by the DNC. Bloomberg also has that same desire. I wonder which is more important to him currently. His ego or not wanting Bernie as President?
     
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    This is the type of **** that makes people not trust our justice system. Lasting damage the Trump sladmin is doing.
     

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