when it is just a cold virus There is always a segment that go panicky or nuts. But let's not generalize that.
Apparently the southern border is not secure enough so it will the Dems fault and of course brown people if cornavurus spreads. I see fox and the right laying the ground work already. I bet he will declare it an emergency and take money to build his shinny wall https://www.foxnews.com/media/kris-kobach-coronavirus-border-security-chinese-national-immigrants
What was the point of Trump's press conference? Just to tell people not to travel to Italy and Korea and that a wonderful person died? I'd really like some more solid info by now. Like where did those communal case come from? Per below excerpts from CDC site, gov-t doesn't seem to know anything concrete about this thing. With 100K+ people infected, you'd think they would have a bit more information by now. All CDC seems concerned about is that we don't panic and rush out to buy face masks (whcih have been out of stock as soon as business people realize that they can sell them to countries with outbreaks for more.) No wonder, whoever processed the people from china didn't have the protection equipment (I'm just perusing hearsay on here about that last point). Love having to rely on chinese government for information on this. This is when not having much trust in one's government is annoying as hell and having good coalitions with other countries would seemingly be useful. But no, America first. Let's just wing it - this hoax thing will blow over. Q: Am I at risk for COVID-19 from a package or products shipping from China? A: There is still a lot that is unknown about the newly emerged COVID-19 and how it spreads. Two other coronaviruses have emerged previously to cause severe illness in people (MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV). The virus that causes COVID-19 is more genetically related to SARS-CoV than MERS-CoV, but both are betacoronaviruses with their origins in bats. While we don’t know for sure that this virus will behave the same way as SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, we can use the information gained from both of these earlier coronaviruses to guide us. In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient temperatures. Coronaviruses are generally thought to be spread most often by respiratory droplets. Currently there is no evidence to support transmission of COVID-19 associated with imported goods and there have not been any cases of COVID-19 in the United States associated with imported goods. Information will be provided on the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) website as it becomes available. Q: Will warm weather stop the outbreak of COVID-19? A: It is not yet known whether weather and temperature impact the spread of COVID-19. Some other viruses, like the common cold and flu, spread more during cold weather months but that does not mean it is impossible to become sick with these viruses during other months. At this time, it is not known whether the spread of COVID-19 will decrease when weather becomes warmer. There is much more to learn about the transmissibility, severity, and other features associated with COVID-19 and investigations are ongoing.
Coronavirus patient says disease 'not the scary thing that everyone thinks it is' In addition to "foreigners are scary and diseased" and "Democrats invented Covid-19 to get the President", Fox News is still working the "catching coronavirus is fun!" angle hard. This was published today.
We are going to have to charge Canada for the northern wall now. Leave it to Kansas secretary of state to contain virus with 30 foot walls.
Actually the Washington Post published a similar piece yesterday. Democracy dies in darkness. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/28/i-have-coronavirus-so-far-it-isnt-that-bad/ I have the coronavirus. So far, it isn’t that bad. My treatment has largely consisted of drinking gallons and gallons of Gatorade A bus believed to be carrying passengers from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, leaves Daikoku Pier Cruise Terminal in Yokohama, south of Tokyo, on Feb. 19. (Athit Perawongmetha/Reuters) By Carl Goldman Carl Goldman is the owner of KHTS radio in Santa Clarita, Calif. Feb. 28, 2020 at 5:53 p.m. EST I have the coronavirus. And it hasn’t been that bad. I am in my late 60s, and the sickest I’ve ever been was when I had bronchitis several years ago. That laid me out on my back for a few days. This has been much easier: no chills, no body aches. I breathe easily, and I don’t have a stuffy nose. My chest feels tight, and I have coughing spells. If I were at home with similar symptoms, I probably would have gone to work as usual. I caught the virus on the Diamond Princess, the cruise ship that was quarantined outside Yokohama for 14 days, at the end of a 16-day cruise I took with my wife, Jeri. When I left the ship a couple of weeks ago, I felt fine. We checked our temperatures throughout our quarantine. Jeri and I got a swab test for the virus. Our temperatures were normal; they’d get the swab results back in 48 hours. Our test results had not arrived before we boarded buses for the airport, where two U.S. government planes waited for us. As we took off from Tokyo, I had a bit of a cough, but I chalked it up to the dry air in the cabin. I felt pretty tired — but who wouldn’t, in our situation? I dozed off. When I woke up, I had a fever. I made my way to the back of the cargo plane, where the Air Force had set up a quarantine area cordoned off with sheets of plastic. They took my temperature. It was over 103 degrees. So I took a seat in the quarantine area and fell back asleep until we touched down in California, at Travis Air Force Base. Officials from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came onto the plane and said that three of us who had been cordoned off would fly to Omaha (with our spouses, if they wanted to come along). The CDC had a quarantine location at the University of Nebraska’s hospital. We arrived on Feb. 17, greeted by a fleet of ambulances and police cars. Officials put me on a stretcher and wheeled me into a van, which made for a very dramatic scene. I easily could have walked myself, despite my exhaustion. On the hospital campus, they put me in a biocontainment unit. The space was sealed off, with two double-paned windows that looked out on the hallway, and a large, heavy, insulated door. Two cameras watched me at all times; a set of computer monitors were equipped with microphones, so that the medical staff and I could communicate with CDC officials at central command down the hall. The room had last been used for the Ebola outbreak in 2014. A doctor and nurses reviewed my case with me and took a bunch of lab tests. They wore heavy-duty hazmat suits sealed with duct tape and equipped with motors that helped with air circulation. It looked like something out of “The Andromeda Strain.” When the test came back a few hours later, I wasn’t surprised to learn that I had the coronavirus. Later, the Tokyo swab confirmed the result — I had caught the virus even before I left the ship. It didn’t scare me too badly. I knew my number was up. The way I saw it, I was going to get stuck in at least 14 more days of quarantine, even if I didn’t get the virus. So many fellow passengers had come down with the illness, including one of my friends, that I’d gotten somewhat used to the idea that I might catch it, too. My wife, however, tested negative and headed to quarantine at a separate facility a few blocks away. After those days being cooped up on the ship together, I think we both relished the alone time; we still could communicate through our phones. During the first few days, the hospital staff hooked me up to an IV, mostly as a precaution, and used it to administer magnesium and potassium, just to make sure I had plenty of vitamins. Other than that, my treatment has consisted of what felt like gallons and gallons of Gatorade — and, when my fever rose just above 100 degrees, some ibuprofen. The nurses came to the room every four hours or so, to check my vitals, ask if I needed anything and to draw my blood. I got very good at unhooking all the monitors checking my oxygen level, blood pressure and heart rate so I could go to the bathroom or just pace around the room a little, to get my blood flowing. I never quite got the hang of hooking them back up without making a tangled mess. After 10 days, I moved out of biocontainment and into the same facility as Jeri. Now we can videochat from our separate quarantines, in neighboring rooms. As of my most recent test, on Thursday, I am still testing positive for the virus. But by now, I don’t require much medical care. The nurses check my temperature twice a day and draw my blood, because I’ve agreed to participate in a clinical study to try to find a treatment for coronavirus. If I test negative three days in a row, then I get to leave. The time has passed more quickly than I would’ve expected. With my laptop, I get as much work done as I can, remotely. I catch up with friends. I take walks around my room, trying to take a thousand more steps each day. I also watch the news. It’s surreal to see everyone panic — news conferences, the stock market falling, school closures — about a disease I have. It does seem likely that coronavirus will spread in the United States, but it won’t help anybody if we all panic. It’s true that the disease seems much more likely to be fatal for older people and those in poor health. I’m relatively fortunate: I’m still younger than the most at-risk groups, and I’m in good shape, giving me less cause for alarm. Others who contract the virus won’t be as lucky. At least six Diamond Princess passengers have died from the disease, of around 705 passengers who caught it. Still, coronavirus doesn’t have to be a horrible calamity. Based on my experience, I’d recommend that everyone get a good digital thermometer, just as a comfort tool, so they can reassure themselves if their noses start running. If you told me when I left home in January that I wouldn’t be back until March — that, instead, I would be confined for more than 24 days because I’d catch a novel virus at the center of what could become a pandemic — that would have completely freaked me out. But now that it’s happening, I’m just taking it one day at a time. As told to Post editor Sophia Nguyen. This article has been updated.
You might want to compare the two front pages (Fox news and washpo) and how they present the overall issue and its perceived importance/danger to society based on the converage presented. Night and day difference Good link anyway
It’s absolutely ridiculous. The media is shameful, trumps whole perspective on them wasn’t entirely wrong tbh.
To add, it’s not just corona. The flu shot is basically extremely important for the elderly , young, immunocompromised. It’s a ****ing flu
"The Virus and the Supply Chain": https://www.city-journal.org/coronavirus-pharmaceuticals-production The Virus and the Supply Chain Coronavirus may or may not prove to be a health crisis in the U.S., but its impact on the production of pharmaceuticals could be serious. Joel Zinberg February 29, 2020 Health Care The new coronavirus outbreak may be very bad for your health but not only for the reasons you imagined. This coronavirus is less likely to harm you directly than to injure you through its impact on your other medical needs. The new virus—officially, SARS-CoV-2—causes a disease known as COVID-19. As of February 29, the number of confirmed U.S cases has been low (61) and relatively stable over several weeks, consisting nearly entirely of people infected overseas. A high-ranking CDC official recently warned Americans that the new coronavirus will inevitably spread in the U.S., though she was less definite on how many people would be infected and how severe their illnesses would be. In California and the Pacific Northwest, a few cases have now emerged from community transmission, and the U.S. saw its first death from the virus on February 29. Though the new virus is more transmissible than the related viruses SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, which, respectively, caused the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) in 2002–2003 and 2012, the disease it causes is less dangerous. SARS had a case-fatality rate of 10 percent and MERS a case-fatality rate of 36 percent. The most recently reported case-fatality rate for laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, for hospitalized inpatients in China, was 1.4 percent; and since many more unreported, mild, or asymptomatic cases exist than the number of reported cases involving more severely ill or hospitalized patients, the fatality rate is likely much lower—perhaps as low as the 0.1–0.2 percent fatality rate of seasonal influenza. And unlike influenza, which has killed more than 125 children in the U.S. so far this season, COVID-19 appears to spare the pediatric population. COVID-19 is more likely to harm Americans indirectly because the U.S. is increasingly reliant on drugs either directly sourced from China or made from intermediate chemicals called Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients (APIs), or their chemical precursors, manufactured in China. U.S. imports of Chinese pharmaceuticals increased 76 percent between 2010 and 2018. Similarly, imports of Chinese medical equipment increased 78 percent over the same period. U.S. producers source 80 percent of their APIs overseas, primarily from China; China is also the chief supplier of APIs for producers in other countries. This dominance is neither accidental nor the result of free markets—it is the consequence of Chinese government policies. The U.S.–China Economic & Security Review Commission recently concluded that “Government subsidies, a robust chemical industry, IP theft, lax environmental protections, and regulations favoring domestic companies contributed to China’s emergence as the world’s largest producer of APIs.” While 90 percent of the finished drugs Americans take are generics, most are manufactured overseas, primarily in India and China. Even India, the world’s largest generics producer, relies on China for 80 percent of the APIs it uses in drug production. Nearly all the antibiotics used in the U.S. come from China. Some older antibiotics, like penicillin, are no longer made here; China controls worldwide penicillin production. In addition, a large amount of the personal protective equipment (PPE)—surgical gowns, gloves, masks and respirator protective devices—used to stop the spread of coronavirus and other infectious diseases are manufactured in China. COVID-19 has resulted in massive disruption of Chinese manufacturing. It’s only a matter of time until this translates into supply disruptions for China-dependent customers. The FDA has just reported the shortage of a certain drug due to coronavirus-related disruption at a manufacturing plant that produces the API used to make the drug. The FDA is also monitoring 20 other drugs where the API or finished drug product is solely sourced from China. Unfortunately, unlike drug makers, medical-device or PPE makers are not required by law to notify the FDA of impending shortages or even respond to FDA inquiries. Coronavirus has created concerns about not only the quantity of Chinese medical products available but also about the virus’s effect on quality. China does not effectively regulate Chinese drug manufacturers. Multiple episodes have cast doubt on the safety and efficacy of their products: In 2018, a Chinese vaccine-maker sold more than 250,000 substandard doses of the childhood DPT vaccine; Zhejiang Huahai Pharmaceuticals shipped the active ingredient for blood-pressure medicines, including Valsartan, that was contaminated with a cancer-causing chemical (NDMA) found in rocket fuel. In 2008, a contaminated Chinese API used to make the blood-thinner Heparin led to 81 deaths in the U.S. Now, due to limitations on travel to China because of the coronavirus, the FDA has suspended inspections of Chinese drug and device factories. U.S. dependence on Chinese manufacturing in general, and medical products in particular, could, in emergency situations or periods of international strife, prove detrimental. It’s possible that Americans with diseases other than COVID-19 will face shortages and higher prices for the medicines they need to treat their illnesses due to manufacturing disruptions in China. The time has come for the U.S. to compile a list of brand-name and generic drugs (with their constituent APIs) exclusively produced in China but critical to the health and safety of Americans—and take action to ensure that these products get produced in the U.S. once again. Joel Zinberg, M.D., J.D., is an associate clinical professor of surgery at the Mount Sinai Hospital in New York and was, until recently, general counsel and senior economist at the Council of Economic Advisers, where he specialized in health policy. The views expressed here are his own.
It is a health crisis. A virus that kills more than 1% of the people it infects, is highly contagious, and to the article above - most people who are infected don't even realize they are that ill if they are ill at all. That's what makes it a health crisis. If it made everyone really sick and killed 1% it wouldn't be nearly as bad as you can just quarantine anyone who gets sick thereby limiting its spread. That's why SARS and MARs can be contained. They are more deadly, and make everyone very sick, but because of that, they can be contained. What makes this so dangerous is that you could get infected, not even realize it, and spread it to 100 other people, one of whom will die.
The flu is still deadlier than covid19. Covid19 has the potential to be much deadlier. It has 20x the mortality rate (2% vs 0.1%) and it spread much easier. Containment is the best strategy. One estimate said 40-70% of the world population will be infected. That translate to 60-100M death if the 2% hold. The seasonal flu kills 650k each year world wide. The 1918 spanish flu killed 20-50M worldwide. However, the world population was 2B in 1918 and is 7.8B today.
