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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
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    you're right that "rooting for coronavirus or economic decline" is probably overstating the case, but it is undeniable that partisan political interests are weaponizing the coronavirus scare to score political points on all sides.

    Example:

    https://hotair.com/archives/karen-t...rother-trump-incoherent-ignorant-coronavirus/

    Rahm’s brother: Trump is incoherent, ignorant about coronavirus
    Karen TownsendPosted at 12:41 pm on February 28, 2020

    Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel is the smartest man in the room when it comes to the coronavirus, at least in his own mind. During an appearance on MSNBC Wednesday following President Trump’s press conference with the CDC, Rahm Emanuel’s brother ridiculed the president’s level of knowledge of the emerging pandemic.

    Just in case you didn’t believe that absolutely everything is political these days, look at the narratives that are developing around a deadly serious public health issue. Democrats spent much of Wednesday criticizing the Trump administration’s efforts in dealing with COVID-19 and lobbing personal insults. Having only arrived back in the U.S. from a trip to India a matter of hours before, he participated in a press conference surrounded by the key figures in dealing with the virus. Anne Schuchat, the Principal Deputy Director of CDC and Alex Azar, Secretary of Health and Human Services, along with Vice-President Mike Pence were among the officials present.

    The president did a good job, in my opinion, delivering some information to quell growing fear among Americans over the spread of the disease and how the United States is preparing for a larger outbreak, should it happen. The long knives came out, as usual, and his critics in the media almost universally criticized his words. President Trump is known for punching back and he showed some restraint as he answered questions from the press. When they pursued his reactions to divisive and ugly statements from Speaker Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (cryin’ Chuck), he defended his administration’s work to date and did his best to reassure that they are being pro-active.

    Ezekiel Emanuel is a special adviser to the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO). He is a former White House health advisor to President Obama. He was on MSNBC’s Hardball and was only too happy to trash the president’s remarks.
    No single country in the world is totally prepared to handle a respirary disease spread through airborne germs. The U.S. has the infrastructure and resources available to contain it and treat the symptons better than most other countries. That is the message President Trump was delivering yesterday. He was acting to calm fears and deliver hope that a widespread outbreak can be avoided. No one has any way of knowing what will happen in the next days or weeks but the point is that the government is using all available resources to keep on top of it. Trump said the adminstration is working with China and other countries as well as state governments here at home. While the CDC has said an outbreak is inevitable, the actual magnitude of it has not been determined. The president sounded a more optimistic note than the CDC has but that is to be expected from the president. His role is to keep people calm while encouraging vigilence and preparation. The press sees that as a sign of weakness and/or ignorance.

    I have to say, I don’t know what else the president could have said. He has named Mike Pence as the person to oversee the COVID-19 operations. Pence has experience from the days of the MERS outbreak in Indiana during his time as governor of that state. It was also a viral respiratory illness caused by a coronavirus. The message is that everyone should refrain from panicking but stay prepared and exercise caution. The basic precautions that we take for colds and the flu apply here – wash your hands frequently, cover your coughs and sneezes, seek medical help if symptoms develop.

    Unlike the flu, there is no vaccine. Some vaccines are in developmental stages and some are awaiting funding to carry out testing on humans.

    Dr. Emanuel had a strikingly different tone just a few weeks ago. At the end of January he was downplaying the seriousness of a potential pandemic and insisting that everyone should take a breath and remain calm.
    Emanuel didn’t sound like a medical professional worried about the intelligence of President Trump or his administration’s ability to handle the situation. That was then, though, before it became politically expediant for Democrats to make it political.​
     
  2. Amiga

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    It was a huge deal but I think a number of factors. There is more trust in government. The US gov took it very serious from the very start. It's the flu - people are more familiar with it. Less unknown lead to less fear in people and market. The death rate is much less 0.01% vs 2%. There were school closing but I don't recall any massive quarantine. I don't recall global supply chain impact (china itself is a global supply chain provider and we are now also possibly looking at SKorea and Japan). H1N1 was powerful but quick - over 1M infected within 3M and started to decline. Vaccine was available in 6M. Then it became part of our normal flu seasons and live.

    Maybe also... aren't we over due for a recession?
     
  3. No Worries

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    I don't know.

    52% of the electorate wanted Trump removed from office. I suspect that that 52% do not see Trump as trust worthy.
     
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  4. No Worries

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    The MSM is weaponizing their Covid-19 reporting to attack Trump?

    Or perchance, the opinion columns, which you tend to read, are attacking Trump about the Covid-19, since they have to be attacking Trump about something and his Covid-19 emergency response f*ckups are just the latest thereof.
     
  5. KingCheetah

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    #TrumpAIDS
     
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  6. ROXTXIA

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    You keep trying to give Trump air cover. But this is really a situation where talking out of his ass (and he is) is harmful. He steps to a microphone and says one thing, then an expert steps up and, couching words in a way that doesn't say Trump is a liar but can't help but make him look like he's winging it, nevertheless contradicts what was just said.

    As Trump was giving his press conference, the stock market and other indexes continued their precipitous drop. Even people who would normally vote for him knew he was bulls*i*ting.
     
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  7. Amiga

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    You don't know that.

    Criticizing Trump <> want something bad to happen.

    This line of thought is amazing to witness. Sorry but it's echoing an inability to see other people perspective. While there maybe a few crazy out there, we all have family, friends, most of us with children. People can at least put on that shoe and see from that perspective.
     
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    What is not true about the statement?
     
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    Not sure if anyone heard the rumor that COVID19 scuttled Trump's plan to pardon Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein this week but I wouldn't put it past the Dems.

    At least that's what... many people are saying
     
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    I wasn't aware that that's what I was trying to do. thanks for the heads up.
     
  12. NewRoxFan

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    While the temptation to make a joke about someone hacking pompeo's twitter login, I think his message is the best one I have seen from someone on trump's team in a long time, so kudos...

     
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    Is he not trying to spread fears and force a coup? Pompeo doesn't strike me as the humanist type. I must be missing something. Like him offering help to other countries in need.
     
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    He's trolling.
     
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  15. shorerider

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    Using Singapore as a model, I'd say that 40-70% is widely skewed towards poor countries with wholly unprepared response/medical systems. Africa for instance will get absolutely clobbered if it hits there. India? Forget about it. Really sad to say, but I think it's true. For more advanced countries like ours the % will be low as long as we maintained heightened awareness. The economic fallout and significant disruptions to daily life will end up being far more concerning than actually catching the illness IMO. A worldwide economic depression is looking increasingly possible if this thing hangs around for awhile, and that will affect almost everyone.
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Trump's response has been worse than a disaster - it's endangering people's lives. He is a fair target of criticism.

    And I have to say, it's so shocking to see you attempt to know the intentions of someone and claim they ulterior motives when there is also what they are saying is valid criticism. You are one to complain on the BBS about people judging your intentions based on what you post, and here you do the same to someone who has authority to provide critical feedback on Trump's handling of the situation.
     
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    Look at Italy - they are getting clobbered right now.

    Do you know what's common between Italy, S. Korea, and Iran? They all have winter right now. Africa and India are pretty much warm all year round and that protects those countries a bit as coronaviruses prefer cool dry air.

    We do have a better medical system, but this virus is highly contagious. And we are poorly prepared right now and don't have the supply of anti-virals needed to help save 100's of thousands of lives.
     
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  18. shorerider

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    Italy's population is 60 million. Right now about 1k cases. And new reports are saying that the virus has been circulating for weeks there without response. Major protocol fail. S Korea's population is 50 million. Half of their cases are traced to a nutcase cult. The increase in cases for both of these countries I would expect to start to trend down in the coming weeks. As far as the climate protecting India and Africa, I wouldn't hold my breath. We'll see.
     
  19. jiggyfly

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    That's why I love this place I had no idea.

    Anyone want to read up about this cult.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/27/coronavirus-south-korea-cults-conservatives-china/
     
  20. B-Bob

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    I don't know if Italy can contain it like you would expect a "modern" nation could, or not.
     

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