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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Buck Turgidson

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    Automation is the downfall of human labor.
     
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    Demand drives the economy. Productivity is the by-product of demand. How does one force companies to spend more on labour? Instead giving people better education and giving tax breaks to the actual people instead of corporations is a way to help the economy. Since when has supply side economics ever work?
     
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    How dumb is our market collective then when the “market” is going well only because they know Trump is so desperate to get elected that he’ll manipulate the economy to present a much healthier looking diagnosis than it really is. People are like.... oh yeah let’s keep investing because we know its all fake anyways and that way when it blows up it’ll blow up 10x worse.

    I’d rather just have a fully independent fed reserve that we could trust to just do what needs to be done to keep the economy and the dollar as healthy as possible LONG TERM rather than continuing to artificially manipulate interest rates to boost lending for people who really cannot afford to lend long term just like in 2007. The similarities in what happened there are striking.

    I think in the next recession the big media giants are definitely the most vulnerable. Especially Facebook. I believe the reason Zuck is sucking up to Trump so much is that he wants to be able to prevent any sort of media competition. What he fears more than anything is competition. He knows the company would bleed out like a pig. I think Amazon has much greater recession durability.
     
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    Bernie just lost Florida.
     
  5. HTM

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    8 months from the election when he's not even the nominee yet?

    Obama said nearly the exact same thing and did just fine. This is the height of knee jerk overreaction politics. We know Bernie will be hit as a socialist who is actually a secret communist. We know this, and most of the voters know this. As the negative Opo starts coming out we have to look at how the polls reacts days or even weeks later to see how news dropping and negative research being uncovered affects him just as we have had to do with Trump for 5 years now.

    I'm skeptical of anything short of Bernie on camera burning an American flag really having a major impact on him with the supporters he needs to win the nomination and the presidency.

    Also regarding Florida- what is more important to the Florida electorate is more than likely to be old people. Old people likely care much much more about things like social security and medicare than they do Castro and communism. I think when Bernie has millions and millions of dollars in ads pumped in to Florida talking about how Trump has bragged about how he's going to cut social security in his second term, I have to think that he's got a good chance of turning Florida back blue although most strategist I've seen have all but written Florida off as a Ruby Red state due to what the Republican Governor and AG has done to game the playing field to get Republicans elected.

    But again.... we will see. These things have to be polled and looked at over the span of weeks not hours or even days of a story or two dropping that is not shocking to anyone.
     
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    How would he? It's like asking Trump how much the wall's gonna cost Mexico when they start paying for it. Some things are just too complicated...
     
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    US Manufacturing is at an all-time high. We manufacture more here than ever in our history and still own the biggest share of good produce anywhere in the world - that's right even more than China

    There is actually a gap in people and there are many unfilled jobs in manufacturing believe it or not. The jobs are here, they just can't be filled because the labor force lacks the skills. That's what is shocking right?

    https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-manufacturing-what-it-is-statistics-and-outlook-3305575
     
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    MSNBC and CNN have kept Berny afloat through 2 election cycles they love the controversy he creates.
     
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    So why is he pushing if its too complicated to even get a number?

    if it's that complicated how do you know if it will work?

    I can't believe this is actually your argument for M4A.
     
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    Oh its too complicated to figure out so we'll just buy it and hope we have the ability to pay for it. I'm sure it will all work out....:rolleyes:

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    Corrosion is not a Trumpanzee.
     
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    THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
    :D
     
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    He can always declare it a national emergency and move funds allocated for other areas...:rolleyes:
     
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    If you're the one (Bernie) putting forward all of these policy proposals it's your responsibility for explaining how they will be paid for.

    One liners like "billionaires are going to pay for it/ a wealth tax/ a tax on wall street speculation" - isn't exactly good enough.

    At some point, real monetary figures have to be made to work. I think most people want to see those figures and how they will work before the buy into the plan.
     
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    How many presidents have been elected without giving a full accounting of how they were to accomplish their agenda? I don't remember Trump or Obama explaining in detail how their respective policies would be funded.
     
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    If anyone thinks this 60 minute interview is not gonna be a huge issue for Bernie, you are living in never never land.
     
  20. Andre0087

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    It's not my argument, it's my general opinion at the moment. I honestly don't think Bernie can win against Trump and would rather see Pete, Amy, or even Bloomberg in there but it is what it is. Single-payer is something that WILL need to eventually get done in this country it's just a matter of when.
     

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