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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. pirc1

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    There are two people most responsible for getting Trump in the white house, #1 is of course Hillary, Sanders is right behind at #2. He is doing a darn good job of trying to get a second term for Trump right now.
     
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    How so?
     
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  3. pirc1

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    Hillary ran a terrible campaign 2016, Sanders for divided the Democrat party last election, those were the biggest reasons why Trump is in the white house now. I feel that if Sanders wins the nomination for the Democrat party, Trump would win a second term, we shall see in November.
     
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  4. DreamShook

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    Hilary got 3 million more votes than Trump, but lost by a measly few thousand votes in the swing states that mattered most where she didn't even bother to campaign. Personally I think Comey did more to torpedo Hilary's run than Bernie Sanders. Hilary was so intensely disliked by people, any bad news was going to depress the vote.

    It's time to stop blaming Sanders for Hilary's failures.

    Hilary's advisers are just incompetent; they couldn't beat the most disliked republican candidates in history. Look at what Hilary's advosers did to Warren's campaign; ran it right into the ground.
     
  5. jiggyfly

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    Maybe because Pete is leading in delegates?
     
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  6. ThatBoyNick

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    What makes someone a front runner is national polling averages, not a 1 delegate lead from two small states with a combined 4.5 mill population. Bernie is the front runner, Pete isn't 2nd, 3rd, or 4th, he's 5th - behind Sanders, Biden, Bloomberg, Warren - in that order.
     
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    There is no definitive definition of a front runner and frankly I don't care just saying there is room for debate.

    Those numbers will definitely change and we will have a clear frontrunner after super Tuesday.
     
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    This is the second time that I hear this --- that Warren made a mistake in hiring Clinton operatives to run her campaign.
     
  9. Os Trigonum

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    "Time for #NeverBernie?"

    https://thebulwark.com/time-for-neverbernie/

    Time for #NeverBernie?
    by Charles Sykes
    February 13, 2020 12:42 pm

    I woke up this morning wondering whether it’s time to unfurl the #NeverBernie banner.

    There is no legitimate conservative case for a Castro-apologist, statist, socialist ideologue like Bernie—despite claims that Bernie-versus-Trump would be a strictly binary choice and yadda yadda. yadda . . .

    We’ve heard all of this before.

    But as some of us explained four years ago, we can refuse the choice of death by wood-chipper or death by arsenic. We are not morally obligated to accept the crap sandwiches offered by either major party.

    #NeverBernie and #NeverTrump can be a thing. A sad and lonesome thing to be sure . . . but definitely a thing.

    Let’s be clear here: Millions of voters who think that Trump is a disgrace and a disaster and who voted for Democrats in the midterms are going to balk at Bernieism, especially after a $1 billion oppo campaign and a belated media vetting process dismantles him in full public view over the course of the fall.

    Our last, best hope is for this cup to pass from us because, let’s be honest, Bernie/Trump is a nightmare scenario for centrists, conservatives, and any contingent of voters who yearn for a non-crazy presidency. And besides: Neither Bernie nor his bots wants us—as they tell us with numbing regularity on Twitter.

    So this would seem to be a good time to make it perfectly clear that there are going to be voters who won’t give the Democrats a blank check this year. Their insanity does not confer upon us the obligation to also lose our minds. Maybe I’m just speaking for myself here, but I’m not interested in exchanging one toxic tribe for another.

    I know, I know. #NeverBernie and #NeverTrump is going to be a lonely place. The merde will rain down from all sides. We would be Pariahs Squared. But I suspect that it will feel familiar: The “strange new respect” was always temporary.

    The good news is that warning flags are being raised—by vulnerable Democrats who fear an electoral wipe out and by ex-Republicans who fear the same. And even by progressive pundits who are trying to stop the insanity.

    But it’s getting late and the 2020 Democratic race feels an awful lot like the 2016 GOP primary campaign.

    And we know how that ended.
     
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  10. pirc1

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    If it is between Trump and Bernie, I will vote for Bernie, but I really hope someone else get the nomination.
     
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  11. ThatBoyNick

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    #UnityIfAmericaElectsADemILike
     
  12. DreamShook

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    Notice when Warren started to beat Bernie and Biden in the national polls, drafting off Bernie and his progressive policies (I'm with Bernie), She hired some Obama and Hilary people and the decline happened.

    She came out with her healthcare plan that wasn't really M4A
    She backed off the I'm with Bernie strategy
    She tried to smear Bernie as a misogynist
    She stopped talking about her policies then went full on she's a woman stuff
    Partnered with Klobuchar for some odd reason
    Continues to attack Bernie even though her voters are the same as Pete's and Amy's

    When all those former Obama staffers endorsed her, I was worried, but I rationalized it as Warren being a pragmatic progressive. I was wrong.

    It's really shocking the turn Warren has taken. Warren already had spongy weird political instincts. Now, with establishment advisers, she is circling the drain and asking for money to stay in the race.

    Hilary tricked Warren into not running and not endorsing Bernie in 2016 and those same Hilary advisers tricked her into going toward the middle to get votes that were never there.
     
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    Warren's main issue was running as a policy-first candidate, instead of focusing on a coherent message of the values of her campaign.

    It is near impossible to craft a coherent policy that gets us to M4A on day one of a new administration, especially one that doesn't increase taxes on the middle class. Warren tried to make the math work and it simply doesn't. Even Sanders' plan has a $20 trillion gap, but he does a much better job riling people up and articulating a vision to take down the establishment.

    On values, Warren has switched between being a fighter and a uniter several times - you gotta pick a lane!

    Truly a shame, because a few months ago, this nomination was hers to lose. She had respect as an agent of progressive change, while also receiving the approval of the "dem establishment". She could've been the Goldilocks candidate that bridged the gap between the progressive and moderate factions of the party, but her inconsistent messaging and poor political instinct have brought her to this point - not even getting 10% of the vote in her neighboring state!
     
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  14. Major

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    Another day, another group of people talking about Bernie Bros gone wild. But I'm sure it's all just in their heads.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...usly-attacked-it-over-health-care-differences

    On Wednesday, a top union official, Geoconda Argüello-Kline, put out a statement decrying Sanders supporters for “viciously” attacking the union. “It’s disappointing that Senator Sanders’ supporters have viciously attacked the Culinary Union and working families in Nevada simply because our union has provided facts on what certain healthcare proposals might do to take away the system of care we have built over 8 decades," said Argüello-Kline, currently secretary-treasurer for the union. “We have always stood up for what we believe in and will continue to do so. The Culinary Union has faced some of the toughest companies who wanted to break our union, and even the President of the United States Donald Trump—and won.”
     
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  15. LabMouse

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    I can promise that, Sanders will not be elected to be the president. He can just let Trump be the president again quickly.
     
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  16. DreamShook

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    Naw it's not in their heads. Also who gives a damn? Anybody going up against Trump is going to need raucous support.
     
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    I agree that a passionate electorate is needed for the general. However, Sanders needs to do a better job of holding these bad actors to account for several reasons:
    1. You need excitement across the board to win this election. How can you build a coalition if you keep ******** on every other candidate and their supporters?
    2. As a leader of any organization, it is up to you to establish a culture and standards of behavior. I'm not here saying that Bernie is rooting for (a subset of) his supporters to doxx and antagonize everyone. But since this issue is more common with his supporters vs. any other Dem candidate, he needs to take reparative steps, like a code of conduct, to establish a new culture.
    One example of this was the Nevada caucus in 2016. His supporters fought, threw chairs, and issued death threats against Nevada Dem officials. Bernie should have rebuked their actions without qualification. Instead, Bernie offers a justification for their behavior, which acts as a signal to his supporters that they don't need to fundamentally change their methods.

    Leaders of our corporations and sports organizations are held responsible for the culture and actions of their organizations. Even though Jeff Luhnow wasn't directly aware of the Astros sign-stealing scandal, he fostered a culture where that behavior was ok, and he paid the price. Why shouldn't we hold our politicians to this same standard?
     
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    This kind of pisses me off. AOC, a prominent Sanders surrogate, has characterized Pete and other candidates supporting a public option as corporate stooges, yet says this:

     
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    Jay?
     
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    You should give a dam if you want him elected.

    How are you gonna piss a whole union and expect to win?

    So you think this is a good plan moving forward?

    Being "raucous" to anybody that does not agree with you?
     

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