Compromise with everybody because he will be opposed by democrats as well. How does Sanders unite the party when he could not make alliances the whole time he has been a senator? When is he gonna reach out to the not 30% Hopefully we take back the Senate and Mitch is out what then?
I am still not understanding your point. Your issue should be the left leaning folks who will not vote because they did not get their way.
Hmmm, I mean the last debate Klobuchar was bragging about how she and Bernie have worked together many times, I think Bernie is pretty respected among other senators. Anyways, uniting the party is a two way street so this should be asked of all the candidates, not just Bernie.
I wish the younger folks vote no matter what, but since they don't, that’s part of the consideration. I was simply having a back and forth with @Sweet Lou 4 2 on Bernie. Many seem to think he has no chance against Trump based on the idea that moderate (never trump, former gop, independent, ...) would sit home or vote for Trump. I'm sure there they exist, but it's a big unknown. No one has quantified who these people are and that might be because they don’t even exist in this time of extreme polarization. At the same time, I think it's fairly known that young folks would sit it out if it's not a candidate that excites them. Anyway, Bernie isn't a guarantee L as some make him to be. Sure, he isn’t a safe bet but can potentially even out perform (new voters) the safer candidates.
Curious. Do you happen to know the percentage of Clinton supporters who voted for McCain vs Bernie supporters who voted for Trump?
Bottom line - He's not. That dude believes his socialist agenda is the way forward and isn't going to change. You have to admire that sticktoitivness .... but admiring him for sticking to his beliefs and voting for him are separate things - it's gonna cost him much of the moderate vote. I cant see myself voting for his brand of government .... Its just too radical a change. I've made my position clear , if the Dems want my vote in November , the nominee has to be a moderate - not a wingnut. Biden , Buttigieg , Klobuchar - I would vote for. I don't want to give the AOC / Bernie crowd any traction - they are just too radical. With any other opponent , I'd say he has zero chance in the general with that platform. But with Trump being either the most or second most polarizing presidential candidate in history , a lot of people will hold their nose and vote D .... the question is how many sit out. For those that "who's paying for it" matters more than "anyone but Trump" ... and I believe that might be a pretty significant number - Its like offering a **** sammich and a turd burger to them. They don't wanna take a bite of either. What's really funny is that in the last Dem primary , I preferred Bernie winning over Hillary , thinking - He cant do any harm without the House / Senate but that's just not a factual belief when presidents govern by EO. I really don't like the idea of EO's , completely circumvents our system of government - Congress Makes Law.
Outside of the EO's What do you think of Trump retaliating against witnesses, interfering in criminal lawsuits, using the SOTU as a campaign rally, appointing judges loyal to him, gutting the State Dept and Justice Dept of anyone not loyal to him, putting his family in high places, using the presidency to enrich himself and his family in exchange for political favors, having Rudy run a foreign policy dept and do investigations to dig up dirt on his rivals, reallocate money marked by congress for other purposes not what congress intended, punish NY by denying its citizens certain privileges because of Cuomo's resistance to his policy, committing act of wars against a foreign country without Congress's approval, amongst many other things. All of these are outside the framework of even an EO. @Nook was referring to the above yet you seem to think all other presidents were just as bad. Do you have no answer for this???
If you really don't like the idea of EO's than I guess you really really don't like the idea of abuse of power beyond the EO's confinement. EO's have it's problems but it does not reach the level of what we are seeing with Trump abuses. But n/m Trump. Bernie actually has a list of EO's he's already considering. I wonder which of these are you see as really extreme given your concerns that executive could by-pass Congress and "legislate from the throne". https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-preparing-dozens-potential-executive-orders/ - reverse Trump's immigration policy (cap on # of refugee, halt border wall construction, re-instate legal status to undocumented immigrants brought to US as children) - import prescription drugs from Canada - direct DoJ to legalize or not prosecute mar1juana - declare climate change as a national emergency (ban exportation of crude oil, I assume on fed lands) - cancel fed contracts for firms paying workers less than $15/hr - reverse fed rules blocking US funding to org that provide abortion counseling - nothing for M4A (because that clearly needs Congress)
I agree but no other supporters attack other candidates like the Bernie bros. How about we let the candidates stand and fall on their own.
Thats one senator, it seems that you would be able cite a track record since he has been there for a long time.
I think Bernie has as good a chance as anybody to win against Trump but he cannot just cater to his base and he can't win with just his base IMO.
We literally have someone on MSNBC calling Bernie Supporters brownshirts. Please let's not act like Bernie supporters have not been attacked, have been labled as sexist and sometimes racist from other supporters. In this very thread others have said that Bernie supporters are basically ignorant. Well, you said he wouldn't be able to work with others and I've provided an example of him doing just that. I'm not going to write an essay about it.
I've already stated I don't support Trump. The "you seem to think" is you jumping of a cliff of conclusion - "all other presidents were just as bad". Don't put words in my mouth. I said point blank , I do not like EO's , I spoke of no particular POTUS , only the circumvention of process the EO presents. I spoke of only EO's , not things done outside EO's. You are trying to compare apples to oranges .... there is no comparison. Point blank , an EO is circumvention of the process of making law - House - Senate - POTUS. Someone seems to have forgotten that old PBS video ....
Nobody literally on MSNBC called Sanders supporters brownshirts, he quoted an article for discussion. You gave an example of one person, he has been in the Senate for what 15 years or so. Nobody has said Bernie supporters are ignorant, not knowledgable of all the facts but not ignorant. The fact that you are continuing to harp on that one thing from MSNBC and twisting what actually happened tells me a lot.
He was discussing an article that he was sharing because he agreed with lol Again, I'm not going to sit here and go through his record, you said he wasn't willing to compromise and Klobuchar bragged about that very fact. That defeats your argument whether he's done it 100x or 50x or 1x, now its on you to prove your point back, not go "I need more evidence." Because I know this game, no matter how much is provided it's always "I need more..." I think the fact that you continue to ignore how his supporters are attacked tells me just as much. It's not hard to find articles, tweets, whatever the case from Clinton supporters, Biden supporters, attacking Bernie and his supporters. The term Bernie Bros, just type that into google and see what pops up.
He never said he agreed with it, that's your interpretation. Why will you not go through his record? You don't have an issue with going through everybody else's. The term Bernie Bros has stuck for a reason, do you think they are blameless? Ok you got me exactly one senator said they worked together many times so that shows he is willing to compromise.
Maaan, Todd literally brings up the article and says, paraphrasing here 'Hey, we all have been attacked by Bernie supporters before...' Who else's record have I been through? Not my fault Pete is capable of flip-flopping in 12 months, it's not much to go through when you can remember him flip-flopping between two debates. You said he wasn't willing to compromise or work with others and I used Klobuchar to show that he is and now you want me to go through a nearly 40 year political career to further disprove that? No thanks, I'm not writing an article for the NYT right now. I just think it's an unfair criticism of him. Has Pete, Amy, Biden, shown more ability to compromise within the party? Do you have a list of examples of each of them doing so? Also, have Bernie supporters been attacked or not? Are 'They' blameless? So, if one Bernie supporter does something it's fair to group them all together as Bernie Bros and attack them? Personally, I don't think anyone has been 'attacked' people are overdramatic when others simply disagree. Telling someone you think they are wrong is often classified as an 'attack' nowadays, but the idea for me that Bernie supporters don't get targeted is just wrong. There clearly is a stereotype surrounding them and it is not always the right that advances it.
If you don't think anyone has been attacked that means we can stop the discussion right now because there is no point. Ok I am done. Bye.
I'm not weeping over what appears to be a Sanders collapse and I think Biden out of the two gives a better shot of beating Trump. I agree with Carville we have lost our damn minds if these two guys are the front runners to take on Trump. Sanders policies are a very tough sell to much of the country and depends upon bringing out the most fickle voters, the youth vote. Biden has always been a gaffe machine and its just getting worse.
