This is certainly true - but what it does tell us is that lots of people that voted for him in 2016 chose not vote for him this time around. The likely explanation is that many of those people didn't really love Sanders - they just were voting against Hillary, meaning the Sanders Revolution was overstated to some extent and he was partially the lucky beneficiary of being the anti-Hillary. When given other non-Hillary candidates to choose from, those people are picking those over Sanders.
I’m curious what people think of this story? The 'swarm': How a subset of Sanders supporters use hostile tactics to drown out critics https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/politics/bernie-sanders-social-media-attacks-invs/index.html
Is there any empirical study on this that one group of supporters have more angry tweets than others? Finding angry Twitter comments as evidence is sham journalism that can be used to justify painting any group as violent. What if I find a tweet online from some rando Twitter account making violent threats who are Biden or Warren supporters or doesn't like Bernie? Does that justify authoring an article about it? There must be some rule on the internet where there is a death threat for every opinion held somewhere on social media. This is merely an article that tries to paint a narrative by just showing one group of supporters' angry tweets. Where all the angry tweets from Biden or Warren supporters calling Bernie a mysoginist or Stalin? I think the best way to judge whether a group of supporters are more violent prone is following the leader's rhetoric. For example, I know Trump supporters are more prone to being aggressive because Trump himself encourages being violent and aggressive especially when he's in rally mode. Bernie however doesn't do this and never encourages violence. The tactic of finding rando Twitter accounts to paint a narrative of a group of supporters or a class of people is exactly what right wing media does in spades. Watch a plethora of right wing YouTube videos who find random tweets of over the top "sjw" rhetoric and then use the tweet to paints broad brush.
Anecdotally, the article rings true with my experience. The only friends I’ve lost in politics over the last several years are actually not Trumpers but rather Berners, surprisingly. Some of them are so angry that I find you can’t talk about anything unless you agree 100% with them. Asange, strangely, was the breaking point in a couple of cases. but again, *anecdotally* is weak sauce.
I find it amusing that the head shops that for years had Ron Paul stuff on the exterior now are covered with Bernie placards.
I have had to deal with irrational and fanatical Trumpers for 4 years.... Now that there is a chance Trump and his incredibly obnoxious fan boys may he swept into the dust bin.... I may have to deal with the irrational and fanatical Bernie Bros... The only good thing is Sanders is as old as dirt... there wouldn’t be a second term... although I am sure the beautiful but incredibly obnoxious and dangerous AOC will be there try and capitalize on it.
I agree with most of your takes but you equating Bernie supporters to Trump supporters seems like "old man yelling at the sky" take. I know you're more nuanced than this.
Yes my own experience, including here on Clutchfans, is similar which is why I found the article interesting. I agree Fchowd that I don't think Sanders himself advocates or encourages this but his supporters have frequently been more aggressive especially in the 2016 election. My girlfriend at the time who supported Clinton frequently complained of mysoginistic comments that she was getting from "Bernie Bros" online. These are anecdotal which is why I put the article up for discussion and certainly dont think it is definitive.
Can you name me the posters here? I find both establishment candidate supporters here also use slimy tactics such as trying to disparage Bernie supporters as "Bernie Bros" and misogynists. You expect people to be kind to such accusations here? We call Trump supporters misogynists because Trump himself is the most foul example of one who treats all women in business settings as pieces of meat, who has 25 accusers for sexual assault and constantly brags about sleeping with women. See there is set precedent for calling Trump supporters misogynists. Sorry, your girlfriend encountering an angry tweet isn't evidence that Bernie supporters attracts mysoginists more so than Biden supporters or Pete supporters etc. I mean loon at @Nook rhetoric towards Bernie supporters, calling them irrational Trump supporter like. How can we have a good faith discussion when all sides of the social media ideological spectrum hurl insults?
The only poster I will name is Glynch because I don't think he minds. I recall him accusing myself and others of not caring about the poor or working people and just defending the status quo. The term "corporate shill" has been thrown a few times to be fair to Glynch though I don't think he used that. As far my girlfriend yes she was called "b****" and worse online. As most here know I have a pretty think skin and accept that. I did feel bad for my GF as she was supporting Hillary even though on issues she was more aligned to with Sanders. For that matter there was a lot of mysoginistic comments directed at Hillary Clinton by Sanders supporters. If you acknowledge that supporters of all campaigns do this to a certain extent, which I will agree, then why so defensive regarding Sanders supporters? As I stated I don't think this piece is definitive but it does match my anecdotal experience. Are you saying that these are baseless? This thread is a refresher on how heated things got here between Sanders supporters and others: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/bernie-sanders-2016-feel-the-bern.268343/page-136
Why? Here's why. Show me the CNN article of mean tweets from supporters of the establishment candidates. It's a one sided reporting issue by the mainstream media which makes it look like they are trying to paint a narrative rather than report the news.
Many Sanders supporters are fanatical and buy into conspiracy theories. There are some posters on here (that I like) that have parroted the same kind of paranoia Trump does.
Even establishment candidate supporters here are very willing to admit the DNC makes it obvious that they don't want Bernie to be the nominee. So yes, that would be the natural reaction to supporters of a candidate who is running in a party where the party heads have a very obvious bias.
They also should admit that the DNC has a habit of ditching its further left candidate around this time and centralizing as much as possible. And while this should happen naturally, it seems like weird things happen from the media doing what amounts to a hit job on Howard Dean way back when, to Hilary's people helping her over Sanders, and now oddities in Iowa with an underdog somehow predicting his win and announcing it. Always we see things like this and Sander getting swept aside should be no shocker since they already made it clear they are willing to, yes I'll use this word, conspire, against him.
Fair enough. If you can find an excess of harassment from the Biden, Buttigeig and other campaigns I would be interested in seeing it.
This is one of those that I think Sanders' supporters and campaign complain too much about. Of course the DNC is biased against Sanders because he only becomes a Democrat when he runs for President. Other times he goes back to being an independent. The DNC initially did a favor to Sanders to let him run as a Democrat and now is just too weak to do anything about it. The RNC had a similar problem with Trump and Trump also criticized the RNC during 2016. In Trump's defense he has been a Republican longer than Sanders has been a Democrat. Although Trump was a Democrat far longer than he was a Republican.
Define "excess". What is the number? The CNN article has a picture of a tweet with "coward" as an example of abusive tweets. What is the threshold for "abusive" also? Yes Twitter is bad. It's full of insults and slurs from all sides of the political spectrum. Using random Twitter accounts as news is lazy journalism. I consider Twitter replies as background noise. Nothing substantive in them. Making a news article about mean tweets is pathetically lazy journalism. I can paint ant part of the political ideological spectrum as angry and mean using random Twitter replies And this type of lazy journalism to paint a certain narrative to paint Bernie supporters as violent is precisely why Bernie supporters have a inherent mistrust of main stream media sources. How about this? Let's just concentrate on the rhetoric from the actual politicians themselves. Let their rhetoric be held responsible, not some random Twitter accounts and bots.
