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[The Week] California lawmaker introduces bill making voting mandatory

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  1. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
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    those crazy Dems

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/894063/california-lawmaker-introduces-bill-making-voting-mandatory

    California lawmaker introduces bill making voting mandatory
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    If a California lawmaker has his way, registered voters in the state will be required to participate in every election.

    On Tuesday, Assemblyman Marc Levine (D) introduced Assembly Bill 2070, making voting mandatory. "Democracy is not a spectator sport — it requires the active participation of all its citizens," Levine said in a statement. "California is a national leader on expanding voting rights to its citizens. Those rights come with a responsibility by registered voters to cast their ballot and make sure that their voice is heard by their government."

    Under the measure, which isn't expected to be considered until the spring, the secretary of state would determine the penalty for not voting. This is an unprecedented bill, and should it go into law, it would likely be challenged in court, the Los Angeles Times says.

    California's latest statewide report on elections found that there are more than 20.3 million registered voters in the state, with nearly two million more eligible to vote, but not registered. In recent years, voters have been coming out to the polls in higher numbers, with 64.5 percent of California's registered voters participating in the November 2018 election. This year, the state's primary was moved up to March 3, in order to encourage even more people to vote.
    --Catherine Garcia
     
  2. ROXTXIA

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    Funny. In Second-or-Third-World Country Brazil, voting is mandatory. Even if you choose the option NULL (none of the above, whatever it is, I don't remember the Portuguese for this), you have to vote.

    No way in hell this would ever gain traction here. No. Way. Republicans would kill it, quick.
     
  3. Amiga

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    Imagine the lines. Oh, the lines! This is fine with a smartphone vote me App. :eek:
     
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  4. Major

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    It's required in other places like Australia as well.
     
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    How many options do they have left for crying out loud
     
  6. Ottomaton

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    Shouldn't that be "us crazy Dems", Mr. lifetime Democrat?
     
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    I don’t hate the principle of it. I’m looking at it the same way I would organ donation. I think whenever you get a government issued ID or drivers license, you should be registered to vote/donate organs, unless you opt out later. As far as mandatory voting...yeah IDK. Are there actually fines for not voting in other countries?
     
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  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Something proposed but hasn't passed and won't pass and only affects a tiny portion of people. Why would anyone doubt you?:rolleyes:
     
  9. Os Trigonum

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    nope, not at all. rumor is they're talking civil asset forfeiture for penalties. That's not the Democratic Party I grew up with.
     
  10. Ottomaton

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    I'm glad we are abandoning the pretense that you are a Democrat.
     
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  11. Os Trigonum

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    I'm glad you're glad
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    So you are more upset that the Democratic party you grew up with has progressed than you are with the President implementing more textbook socialism than even the most liberal proposals by Sanders or Warren and even with the most progressive suggestions from AOC.

    So what really bothers you isn't policy, it's a change and the idea that someone would label themselves or others would label their policies as socialist than someone actually instituting socialism in the worst possible ways that only benefit a tiny portion of society.

    This is one of the reasons why people call you out.
     
  13. Os Trigonum

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    I'm glad that people have a hobby that keeps them out of trouble
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    Me too. Hobbies are great.
     
  15. calcium

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    You get fined in Australia unless you can provide an acceptable excuse.
     
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    Obviously, turnout would improve significantly. Outcomes would generally skew left because the non-voting population skews left. Terrible idea though. For one, I think it's an infringement on our rights. For two, I think it empowers propagandists and charlatans. Politicians would end up competing on who can hoodwink the least engaged and least informed voters. We get enough of that today, but that strategy is limited by voting apathy. If someone else has already forced them to the polls and you can wave something shiny, you're in, fitness be damned.
     
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    more on the California bill

    https://reason.com/2020/02/10/calif...-one-lawmaker-wants-to-make-voting-mandatory/

    California Took Voters' Choices Away. Now One Lawmaker Wants to Make Voting Mandatory.
    by Scott Shackford
    2.10.2020 12:50 PM

    When a state is almost completely dominated by one party, some people aren't very enthusiastic about voting. One California lawmaker thinks he has a solution to that: Make voting mandatory.

    Last week, Assemblymember Marc Levine (D–San Rafael) introduced AB-2070, a bill that would require every person who registers to vote to "cast a ballot, marked or unmarked in whole or in part, at every election." The legislation says it will be up to the secretary of state to enforce this mandate, but it doesn't really say how.

    To explain himself, Levine put out a statement filled with tiresome bromides about the importance of voting:
    That's an odd argument, given that California has gone out of the way to limit voters' choices at the polls in November elections.

    In 2012, the state implemented a "jungle primary" system. This means that in the primary (which always has a lower turnout than the fall election), all the candidates for statewide races and the state legislature are put in a big scrum for voters to choose from, regardless of political party. The top two vote-getters in each contest then face off in November, again regardless of the political party. These frequently lead to voters getting the choice of only two candidates from the same political party.

    That's why Kamala Harris faced off against a fellow Democrat when she was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2016. It's why Sen. Dianne Feinstein didn't face a Republican, let alone any third-party candidates, when she won re-election in November 2018. Indeed, this is the system that helped Levine keep his seat in 2018: He defeated another Democrat, Dan Monte. No Republicans ran against Levine at all in 2018. Maybe they took a lesson from 2016's election, when a second Democrat crowded Republican Gregory Allen out of the race.

    If democracy requires "active participation," it's a bit strange that California has implemented a system that pushes so many people away. When Harris won her Senate seat, nearly two million Californians who cast a ballot didn't even bother to vote in that race. When voters are given only two candidates from the same political party, greater numbers of them decide not to make a choice at all.

    Levine doesn't actually care if people even vote on these ballots. He just wants to force people to mail them back in. They can be completely blank. Apparently, he doesn't actually care about "active participation" after all.

    That's telling. Public narratives about an election's "success" often revolve around voter "participation" but tend to ignore digging in on whether people are actually voting in particular races. Sending in blank ballots may not be active participation, but it avoids embarrassments like 2014's record-low 42.2 percent turnout of registered voters. And that makes it easier for politicians like Levine to convince themselves that Sacramento's actions have the general public's stamp of approval.

    Australia has mandatory voting, as do about 30 other countries. But you won't find Australians showing up to the polls to get handed a ballot where nearly all their choices are narrowed down to a single political party. Americans tend to take a very dim view toward countries that force citizens to vote but then don't give them any real choices. North Korea has mandatory voting too, after all.

    If candidates can't convince voters even to mail back a sheet of paper, why should we allow them to pretend the public is willing to "participate" in their charade? Americans' right to refuse to vote needs to be preserved precisely because it speaks to the apathy and disenchantment of the electorate.

    Voting disclosure: As a Californian I've voted in several races, but skipped several myself, often voting only on ballot initiatives. The last actual human being I cast a vote for was Gary Johnson for president in 2016.
     
  18. Nolen

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    Mandated voting would cause a gigantic leftward shift in voting outcomes.
     
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    In Argentina, in addition to mandatory voting, they stop selling alcohol at 6pm the day before, and voting day is a national holiday.
     

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