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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. jiggyfly

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    So why is he struggling against Pete?
     
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    I don't think he is. Sanders probably still wins.

    Pete got the female vote.
     
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    You do realize that Sanders is leading the popular vote, right? Bernie is 2500 votes ahead. "Struggling" you must mean with these dumb ass SDE's which he looks like he will win too. Turnout with young people are higher than 2008 despite turnout being the same as 2016.

    Pete poured all his money into this state because he had no hope anywhere else. Pete got all the white people he wanted and Bernie killed him with minorities and the young.

    Bernie had the most support of Iowans on caucus night. The only struggle was getting the results reported.
     
  5. heypartner

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    What's the point (or logic) in saying, "If they redid Iowa without Biden...."

    besides, you really think Biden voters would switch to Sanders?
     
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    Its not about politics its about Math.

    If I say to a hundred people would you like a Coke or a Pepsi, and it ends up 55/45 in Cokes favor....

    The the next year, I say to a hundred people would you like a Coke, Pepsi, Big Red, Dr Pepper, Mountain Dew, or Sprite, and it ends up 30 / 30 / 20 /10 / 10

    Its kinda a silly question to ask why Coke plummeted from 55 to 30
     
  7. jiggyfly

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    How is he not struggling?

    It's still a tossup with over 90% of the tally in.

    Berny got 49% of the vote last time he should be running away with the vote
     
  8. larsv8

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    Look one post up.
     
  9. heypartner

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    Taking Biden out of the race isn't math, it's politics. And Bernie loses the math if the politics takes Biden out of the race.
     
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    Yeah he is leading the popular vote but he is still in a statistical tie with Pete a guy who was unknown 8 months ago in a state where he got 49% of the vote in 2016 and is very liberal.

    So he got more younger voters and he is still statistically tied, if he can'y run up the score in Iowa how is he gonna break through elsewhere?

    If you can't recognize that is showing should be disappointing, then you have your head in the sand.
     
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    Go back and read the back and forth. He wanted to know why Bernie dropped from 49% to 25%, saying that he was struggling and this was evidence.

    Answer: two candidate race vs six candidate race.

    Point: its not an apples to apples comparison.
     
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    He is statistically tied with a guy who was unknown 8 months ago, how is he not struggling?
     
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    Well, any poll based on 2 choices is a shtty poll to be discussing.

    right?

    I'm back to my first comment, "What's the point (or logic)" in discussing a two-person race, especiall when if you take Biden out, Pete will crush Sanders.
     
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    You are arguing a strawman.

    Nobody is talking about his percentages, it's the fact that he has the almost the same percentage as Pete a guy who was unknown 8 months ago.
     
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    So you are just not gonna answer the question of why he is tied in Iowa with Pete?
     
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    Correct

    I was simply explaining the fallacy of using the %s from 2016 to 2020
     
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    And if you take Warren out Sanders still crushes Pete after Biden drops out?

    HP Jiggle fly, there are 10 candidates vs 2. Last year Bernie was neck and neck to win Iowa, same for this year.
     
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    Except for the fact that only 2 people had huge name recognition of those 10 candidates and one of them was not Pete.

    So you don't see any cause for concern?
     
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    Yes, two people had name recognition. Bernie and Biden. Bernie won the popular vote, Biden barely got half the votes Bernie did.

    I said Biden did very poorly considering his name recognition and considering where he was polling. I was never talking about Pete, or even Bernie for that matter.

    Pete did well, Bernie did well. I'm not worried about Pete right now.
     

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